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Home My WebLink About2015-2-10Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION 2 Fairgrounds Road Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554 ,vwNy.nantucket- ma.gov Commissioners: Linda Williams (Chair), Dawn Hill- Holdgatc (Vice- chair), John McLaughlin, Diane Coombs, Raymond Pohl: Associate Commissioners Jascin Leonardo Abigail Camp Kristine Glazer Staff. Mark Voigt MINUTES Tuesday, February 10, 2015 Public Safety Facility, 4 Fairgrounds Road, Training Room — 5:00 p.m. Called to order at 5:03 p.m Staff in attendance: L. Vollans, Administrative Specialist; T. Norton, Town Minutes Taker Attending Members: Williams, Hill - Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Leonardo, Camp, Glazer Absent Members: None Late Arrivals: Leonardo, 5:09 p.m.; Hill- Holdgate, 5:27 p.m. Early Departures: Hill- Holdgate, 8:27 p.m.; Leonardo, 8:28 p.m.; McLaughlin, 8:42 p.m.; Camp & Coombs, 9:00 p.m. Agenda adopted by unanimous consent. COMMENT 1. PUBLIC None 1. Cavatxd�r Sasha ` '� 1�latrid l.�e Mtntnitl!t� rnaurt�rac� 4z.�•vv x Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing None Public None Concerns (5:07) Williams — Said she spoke to the potential buyer and apparently he said he is getting stonewalled with excuses not to close the sale. In the meantime, the building is "disintegrating." This is the same stuff we have heard before and it is no closer to being sold nor has she signed an agreement with a realtor. The potential buyer made a counter offer and she sent him the same excuses we got last fall and last spring. Pohl — As he recalls, HDC granted an extension and decided that after that they would start the process of levying fine. Coombs — Asked what date he had granted the extension to. Pohl — He doesn't recall the exact date but we are way past it. Williams — About 4 months ago and she has done nothing to fix that building. Glazer — There is a pattern of behavior. Motion Motion to begin the process of levying fines through Town Counsel for minimum maintenance violations and demo by neglect. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 1. Paliesch,4 Gregory el at 67 0range zitre0t lernol kern sau" Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Glazer Alternates Leonardo, Camp Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Steve Theroux, Nantucket Architecture Group Ltd — Found non - contributing; the main mass is dated 1909. Would like to ask the commission to do a site visit both inside and outside. In 1993, most of the interior was demolished. He has provided a wealth of information. He wants to build a new structure that fronts on Fair Street. The house will be open Tuesday, Feb 17 morning. Public None Concerns (5:10) Glazer — It appears the old cobbler's shop was moved. Motion Motion to View. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Page 1 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing None Public None Concerns No concerns. Motion 1. Lisi, Peter — 63151 2 Flintlock Road Rev:COA62959 porch roof 76 -50 NAG 2. Idsardi, Jim — 63152 8 New Hummock Circle Window change 56 363 Russell Simpson 3. NIR Retail LLC -- 63' 3 25 Center Street Roof c k tit aka 423346 Jim Lys 4. NIX Retail LLC — 63154 11 New, Whale Street Roof er arch to black arch 42.2.4-14 Jim Ly4on 5. Kindermann, Greta — 63155 33 Rugged Road Window replacement -main hs 67 -167.1 Mark Dane 6. Kindermann, Greta — 63156 33 Rugged Road Window replacement- cottage 67 -167.1 Mark Dane 7. Leo, Lori — 63157 7 Bluebird Lane Rev:COA61059 rem shut /fndt 68 -637 Ethan McMorrow 8. Goldman, Norma - 63158 24 Coffin Street RevCOA62993 window 73.4.1 -52 NAG 9. Nantucket Land Bank 63159 8 W. Miacomet Road Rev:COA61959 roof chg 81-162 SMRD 10. Pin Oak Properties — 63160 28 West Chester Street Fen, Chg l -st shed addition 42.4.3 -53 Sandcastle Const. 11. Savel NT — 63161 53 Pocomo Road Move off garage 15 -17 Anne Kuszpa 12. James Crecca Trust — 63162 40 Pocomo Road Rev:COA63070 basement acc. 14 -37 Michael O'Connor 13. Ladybird LLC — 63163 8 Middle Valley Road Re -site main house on lot 43 -16 Botticelli & Pohl 14. Law, Andrew — 63164 55 Hummock Pond Road Rev:COA62746 new site plan 56 -4 Emeritus Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Leonardo, Camp, Alternates Glazer Recused Pohl Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing None Public None Concerns No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Coombs) Vote Carried 4 -0 /McLaughlin abstain Certificate # 63151 to 63164 CONSENT: V. • • 1. Scheibel, Edwin — 63165 1 Maxey Pond Road Window rev. 40 -107 Self *Due to min.visibility 2. Motta, Joseph — 63166 58 Pochick Avenue Window change 79 -988 Self *Due to lack of visibility Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Leonardo Alternates Camp, Glazer Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing None Public None Concerns No additional concerns or conditions. Motion Motion to Approve per noted conditions. (Coombs) Vote Carried 4 -0 /McLaughlin abstain Certificate # 63165 & 63166 OLD BUSINESS 1. Tea Tucket LLC 3 Wingspread Lane New dwelling 27 -17.6 Workshop /APD Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Andrew Kotehen, Workshop APD Inc — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (5:17) Pohl — His issues have been taken care of The front door is not visible, though he doesn't like it. Coombs — 90% of this is not visible. It would be nice if the front door matched the details of the house. Glazer — Agree with what's been said. Camp — No concerns. Williams — The front door should be a 6 panel and isn't aligned; it needs to go left 6 inches and get a little more trim. Roof walk should be all natural to weather. `Iotion Motion to Approve through staff with all natural to weather roof walk, a heavier door surround on the front door, and the front door to be a 6 panel door no glass and moved 6 inches to the left. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63167 Page 2 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 2. Tea Tucket LLC 3 Wingspread Lane Second dwelling 27 -17.6 Workshop /APD Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Andrew Kotchen, Workshop APD Inc — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (5:17) Pohl — No concerns. Glazer — North elevation, the deck should be narrower. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with north elevation 2nd floor deck pulled in 1 foot each side. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63168 3. Tea Tucket LLC 3 Wingspread Lane Garage 27 -17.6 Workshop /APD Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Andrew Kotchen, Workshop APD Inc — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Contends lack of visibility. He has had a number of garages exactly like this approved on this island. Suggested sinking the building 2 feet into the grade and ramping into the garage. Public None Concerns (5:17) Pohl — They are out of ground coverage. It is far from the road and he believes it won't be visible. Coombs — The pergola over the garage doors is very modern. Glazer — Feels like it is time to draw a line; there is a guidelines that says the structure should not exceed a certain height. Williams — if this were two feet shorter, it would meet the height /width guideline ratio. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with the building sunk into the grade to feet and conditioned based upon lack of visibility. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63169 4. Tea Tucket LLC 3 Wingspread Lane Shed 27 -17.6 Workshop /APD Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Andrew Kotchen, Workshop APD Inc. Public None Concerns (5:17) No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63170 5. Genthner, Sue 128 Surfside Road New cottage 80 -299.1 Concept Design Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing TJ Waterson, Concept Design — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Sue Genthner Public None Concerns (5:32) Staff — Read previous concerns from Feb. 5. Williams — There will be screening along the west side and around the curve; that is to be included in the hardscaping plan. No concerns with the screening Motion Motion to Approve through staff as designed conditional upon screening along the west side of the two parking spaces and running along the driveway. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63171 Page 3 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 6 N.H.A. {Hadwin House) 96 Main Street Replace fence /arbor 42.3.3 -61 Concept Design Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Glazer Alternates Leonardo, Camp Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing TJ Waterson, Concept Design — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Michael Harrison Public None Concerns (5:37) no concerns. :Motion Motion to Approve. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63172 7. Sunset RT 201 Eel Point Road New dwelling 38 -32 Botticelli & Pohl Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs Alternates None Recused Pohl Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Lisa Botticelli, Botticelli & Pohl — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (5:40) No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Hill- Holdgate) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63173 8. Ceylon Elves LLC 286 Polpis Road Relocate /demo main house 25 -33 Botticelh & Pohl Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs Alternates None Recused Pohl Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Lisa Botticelli, Botticelli & Pohl — Reviewed the new siting and concept plans for the structure and the proposed new house, submitted at the table. Public None Concerns (5:42) McLaughlin — No concerns. Glazer — Thinks a window survey should be on file. Williams — Need a full set of plans. Motion Motion to Approve through staff per Exhibit A with submission of 4 full sets of plans and a window survey. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63174 9. K 4 LLC 48 Orange Street Rev. to new garage 42.3,2 -97 Castle Group Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl Alternates Camp Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Chris Skehel, Castle Group — The garage doors are not visible. Public None Concerns (5:47) McLaughlin — Overhead doors are atypical for this area; should be swing doors or only 4 panels. No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Hill - Holdgate) Vote Carried 4 -1 /McLaughlin opposed Certificate # 63175 10. Moore, Will= 3 West Chester Street New shed 42.4.3 -14 NAG Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Glazer Alternates Leonardo, Camp Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Steven Theroux, Nantucket Architectural Group Inc. — Made changes as requested. Public None Concerns (5:51) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 20. No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Coombs) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63176 Page 4 of 12 Page 5 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 11. Hobby, Roger 27 North Liberty Street Move on site/add /repo 41 -453 Rowland & Assoc. Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Camp Alternates Recused Hill- Holdgate Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Ben Normand, Rowland and Associates — Reviewed the foundation and condition of the basement. Provided an as -built window survey. The windows are "vintage" but not original. Proposing to maintain almost all of the windows. Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Steven Cohen, Cohen & Cohen Law PC — What Ms Alger is suggesting is not the law or rule. All this board needs to consider is whether or not the impact of a nominal move will somehow make this structure no longer historic. Its relationship to the street and neighborhood will remain the same. There is no mandate to maintain a house in its original place. There are two historic structures on Broad Street up on stilts right now. Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C. for abutters Berman, Hoyt & Montgomery — Submitted in writing the four reasons for why and when an historic home may be moved and that none of those pertain in this case. Despite the fact that other homes have been allowed to be moved, that doesn't designate an area as a place in which houses are allowed to move around. This structure has stood in this place since 1802 and is an individually significant structure. Reviewed the reasons for moving an historical structure and why this structure does not qualify. She has heard no reason to justify the relocation of this structure. There is no reason it can't be left where it is and be added onto. Barry Berman, 28 North Liberty Street — It is not okay to move an early 191' century home off its original location; that is stipulated in the guidelines as found on the website; cited Page 9 of the guidelines. The Act was passed to prevent these moves and maintain structures in their historic settings. If a structure has never been moved, contends that it is not okay to move it. Reviewed structures along North Liberty Street that were moved and under what circumstances. Quoted from the National Park Service report which stated the reason why Nantucket was placed on the year 2000 list of 11 most endangered historic places. This is a critically old historic district traversed by visitors and residents. This structure should be maintained in its historical structure. Tom Montgomery, of 33 North Liberty Street — Submitted into the record letters from Joan Hoyt of 30 North Liberty Street and Rick and Elaine Williams of 40 North Liberty Street. Read Joan Hoyt's letter. Concerns (5:53) Staff — Read previous concerns from Feb. 5. Williams — Read Rick and Elaine Williams letter into the record. Pohl — Asked in what capacity David Barham created the four bullet points about moving a structure. Alger — He presented them to her when he was the chair of the HDC in regards to the 17 Broad Street discussion. She is not representing these points as his. Pohl — The crux is the moving of this building. He believes it should be placed on a new foundation and that the level of the floor will be raised up so as not to be that of the grade outside the door. Still staying within the idea of the original setting, he would be in favor of a very minor move, not the move represented in the site plan. McLaughlin — To move from where it is to the center of the lot is a great interruption of the street scape as it has existed since the 1800s. Moving this would be contrary to the policies of this commission. In regards to the renovation, all four sides will be visible. Coombs — Agrees with Mr. McLaughlin; it shouldn't be moved. The trees have grown up around it; she sees a reason for a new foundation, which should look like the old one. She does not support the removal of the small rear chimney. The height of the rear addition is a concern; the eave needs to come down to where it was before. The railing for the 2nd -floor deck in the back needs to be lessened. The northeast facade is drastically changed by the basement walk down. Camp — Agree with Ms Coombs. Putting a new foundation is going to have to happen. If it moves even just a little bit, that changes its historic value; she's not in favor of that. Williams — The proposal is to move sideways and still be on the street. Has an issue with the southeast right side bump on the original part of the structure. Given what hangs off the back now, the proposed is better and she has no concerns with the height. She has no concerns about moving it. The elephant in the room is a possible subdivision. We just approved two moves on Main Street, one for the same reason. Reviewed other moves permitted within the old historic district (OHD). This move is not taking away from its architectural or historical significance. Cohen — Asked for an informal vote in regards to whether or not knowing what will go beside it will alleviate concerns about a larger move. Coombs — We have a right to say the building shouldn't move because this is where it has always stood. She doesn't think it should be moved and it should stay there. She doesn't care what is going next door. Pohl & Camp — Yes, they would consider a larger move if they see what's going next to it. McLaughlin — The street scape should remain as it is. Motion Motion to Continue pending new information. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Page 5 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 12. Dubuc /Kizilbesh FT 14 Nonantum Avenue New house 87 -11 Thornewill Design Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Luke Thornewill, Thornewill Design — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (6:37) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 13. Pohl — East elevation, the `B" windows are very shrunken looking. The whole house should have a more uniform window style and the same with the French doors. South elevation, the roof walk should not have a middle post on the ridge. West elevation, too many different window styles; the pane sizes on the small windows are wrong. North elevation, the French doors need to be shorter with a kick panel; that would bring the panes into cohesion with the windows. Coombs — Still questions the contention of lack of visibility. The east elevation is not that well screened, there are no big trees. The south, east, and west elevations will be visible from the beach. The east is still too long at 25 -feet high. Agree about the various sizes of windows. Asked about the south elevation barn doors. (They're decorative.) Feels the same about the west as she does the east. Glazer — Agree with what's been said about the windows and doors needing uniformity. West elevation, the shed roof bump out under the "J" window seems bizarre without fenestration on it. Motion Camp — Agree with what's been said. East elevation, the main mass should telescope to the right more gradually. Vote Williams — The sides are 90 -feet long; the main mass is only 40 -feet so the 1 -story should be set back 18 feet. Not as concerned about the overall length. There are 10 different window styles. East elevation, the `B" windows are her pet peeve; the "C" and "F" windows are fine. South elevation, the deck needs to be pulled 1 foot into the roof, all the French doors should not be 8 -feet and should be the same door. West elevation, chaotic fenestration; the shed should be smaller. Her biggest problem is the roof walk straddling the gable; it should be placed on the other piece and not have a skirt; it is questionable whether or not this structure can support a roof walk. tilotion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 13. Dubuc /Kizilbesh FT 14 Nonantum Avenue Hard scape- pool /fence 87 -11 Jardin Intnl Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl Alternates Leonardo, Camp, Glazer Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Elizabeth O'Rourke, Jardins International Public None Concerns (6:37) Staff — The file is not in the box. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Coombs) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 14. TON /Cliff Dive 4 & 8 Nobadeer Avenue New dwelling 80 -35/37 Thornewill Design Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Luke and Carrie Thornewill, Thornewill Design — Reviewed changes made per previous concern. Public None Concerns (7:03) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 29. Glazer — The center post on the roof walk comes into the shed dormer on the south elevation; the shed dormer looks wide. Agrees about it looking like two big boxes stuck together; suggested a way to articulate more of a jog in one of the boxes to delineate it from the main mass. Pohl — Sees a big benefit in the changes. McLaughlin — No concerns. Williams — The south elevation dormer cheek walls need to be pulled in. The wide gables projecting forward do not constitute additive massing. The cave height is all the same; there are no one -story elements. This is two big boxes stuck together. The roof walk legs can't be sitting on the dormer. Chimney should be interior, but won't argue that due to the structure's location. Roof walk will not be white. Discussion about whether or not "two big boxes stuck together" is in fact typical Nantucket architecture. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Page 6 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 15. 4 Amigos LLC 8 F Street Revisions: cabana 60.2.1 -7.1 Thornewill Design Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Carrie Thornewill, Thornewill Design — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Presented at the table photos Public of the existing house. What is planted there complies with the plan; it just isn't full grown. Public Concerns None (7:14) Williams — The pool and fence were approved conditioned upon the screening and "he" signed off on it. The only way to ever get this signed off on is if the screening, which is part of the fence area, is put in as required. What was planted is small and will not grow. This will not get a sign -off until the vegetative screening for the pool is put in. Motion McLaughlin — East elevation showing the gable end, on the right is a section of double -sash awnings which doesn't Vote exist on this island; it should be a double hung window. Break 7:29 to 7:36 p.m. 17. McDonald, John 4 Capaum Road New dwelling 30 -217 Rowland & Assoc. Pohl — No concerns about the awnings. Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Leonardo Glazer — Agrees the awnings aren't visible. Camp, Glazer Williams — Those awnings are under the pergola and not visible. Motion Motion to Approve the "E" windows due to lack of visibility and NO sign off on this structure until the File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. vegetative screening is in place (year round, mature). (Pohl) Vote Carried 3 -1 /McLaughlin opposed Certificate # 63177 16. Sheppard 12 Midland Avenue Revisions dwelling 59.3 -105 Thornewill Design Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl Alternates Camp, Glazer Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Luke Thornewill, Thornewill Design — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (7:27) Staff — Read previous concerns from Feb.3. Hill - Holdgate — Had asked the dormers not be flush. Coombs, Pohl & McLaughlin — No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63178 Break 7:29 to 7:36 p.m. 17. McDonald, John 4 Capaum Road New dwelling 30 -217 Rowland & Assoc. Sitting Williams, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Leonardo Alternates Camp, Glazer Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mickey Rowland, Rowland and Associates — Reviewed photos in the packet that reflect other structures in the neighborhood of similar scope and design. Reviewed the changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (7:36) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 13. Leonardo — Did not have an issue with this to begin with; it speaks better to the vernacular of the area. Coombs — North elevation, the shutters on the 1s1 floor should be operational. The roof walk looks long from the north compared to the east elevation. Appreciates the changes made. The dormer meeting rail is too little high. Pohl — Believes this style is appropriate for this neighborhood. His continued concern is that the main mass is 1' /2 story- with a 2 -story side piece. The pediment over the front door isn't appropriate in addition to the wrap - around porch. McLaughlin — The structure fits into the neighborhood. The house measures 68 X 54 feet. The house directly behind is 90 feet long and a similar style. Williams — This is not an appropriate house for that lot; all the little one -story structures up there have disappeared. This is still 74 feet along the road. Contends the referenced structures are compact. It is 30 -feet tall with decks and a chimney. Agree the pediment is not appropriate and the craftsman style 15 -light door is not appropriate for this structure's design. The glassed in porch is excessive; the 10 posts are alien to the area. This is an abomination in that location, on that street. West elevation, which is fully visible, the dormer bisects the massing on the right; the back piece is not additive massing. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Page 7 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 18. Brown, Donna 13 Madaket Road New dwelling revisions 41 -297 Nathan McMullen Sitting Williams, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Nathan McMullen — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (7:57) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 29. Pohl — Toning down the trim made a huge change in the perception. This house is still tall but appreciate its being V/z story. He would like a real frontice piece. The cascading stair is inconsistent with the style of architecture. Glazer — Agree with Mr. Pohl. The gable dormers have too much space between the top of the window and the roof. Has issues with the north elevation but that isn't visible; suggested centering the doors between the columns. The east elevation has a long run of a flat wall with a minor indentation; don't want the look of a long flat wall from Madaket Road. Williams — A frontice piece is not appropriate; should be a 4 -panel door with 2 lights. 26.5 feet is still too tall; the houses around it are all small. This is an anomaly in this little strip. Needs to set back more off the east elevation; this has to stagger back and it doesn't. Feels her concerns have not been addressed. The eaves are the same all the way around; they aren't additive mass. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 19. Reisk n, Bob 34 Codfish Park Road Demolish dwelling 73.1.3 -53 Wilson Company Sitting Williams, Hill - Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl Alternates Camp, Glazer Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Bo Wilson, Wilson Company John Schafer — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns and defined the building envelope. Public None Concerns (8:14) No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve due to the fact that very little of the original fabric would be left and structural problems from water and wind damage. (Hill- Holdgate) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63179 20. Ferm, John & Jennifer 9 North Road New dwelling revisions 43 -131.1 Sophie Metz Sitting Williams, -McLaughlin, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Sophie Metz — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (8:17) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 29. Williams — The west elevation dormer doesn't look like it was changed; it can't be flush and truncated at the eave. Shouldn't have white trim. Pohl — Many houses in that area except one are white. His only issue was the sidelights on the front door and those are corrected. Glazer — No concerns. In terms of the color; she is 50/50. East elevation, the fenestration is approvable due to lack of visibility. McLaughlin — The "E" & "F" windows should be changed to "G" window. Williams — West elevation, we don't approve that dormer. itlotion Motion to Approve through staff with the west elevation center dormer eave to continue under the windows; and the "F" and "E" windows on the south windows to become double hung. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63180 Page 8 of 12 lfinutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 21. Petrini, Robert 34 Quidnet Road Lot 6 New dwelling 21 -53 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. The minutes do not indicate the cant was an issue. The contours are at an angle on the property and the structure should follow the contours. Pushing the structure to the side opens up the Stewart's side. Propose white trim with dark grey sash. Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C., for Quidnet /Squam Association Luke Thornewill, for 36 Quidnet Road — Coming back to the scale; everyone is building up to the second floor broadside to the water with decks; that is contrary to Quidnet. This could be shrunken by 30% and still work. In rotating it, it is aimed at an improved cottage. Concerns (8:27) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 15. Coombs — This is still too complicated; it needs to be simple. She is bothered by it going from lot -line to lot -line and doesn't want other new structures doing the same thing. Old Quidnet houses have a simple roof line and facade. Thinks too much program is being crammed onto this lot. Camp — The way it comes out at an angle is an issue. Glazer — The massing and lay out are still a concern. She has problems with the orientation. Pohl — The gambrel is an improvement over a huge 2 -story gable. One problem is that this is a gambrel but some gable forms remain; it is hard to hybridize gambrels and gables. Williams — This is still too big, too tall, too massive, too long, on Chase Lane; it is now a gambrel that is not well proportioned and too wide. It needs to be a very simple structure. The foot print and the long tongue going down the hill aren't to work. This spreading out and massing and length aren't going work. Given what she just had emailed to going her; it would be a solid wall of houses across the top of the bluff along the road. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 22. Petrini, Robert 34 Quidnet Road Lot 6 Garage 21 -53 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C., for Quidnet /Squam Association Luke Thornewill, for 36 Quidnet Road Concerns None at this time. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 23. Petrini, Robert 34 Quidnet Road Lot 6 Pool 21 -53 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C., for Quidnet /Squam Association Luke Thornewill, for 36 Quidnet Road Concerns None at this time. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Page 9of12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted Mar. 3 24. Appleby, Howard 11 Mattapoisett Road New dwelling 82 -376 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — Reviewed context photos of other structures on the street. Public None Concerns (8:41) Staff — Read previous concerns from Dec. 9, 2014. Williams — It's still 90 feet long on an outwash plane. South elevation, the whole addition on the right needs to go away; the main body is fine; the flat roof element on the south is inappropriate. It has half - shingle /half - railings; the front door in the butt end on the east. On the back there are 3 shallow weird gables and a continuous plane of 72 feet. The 2- over -2 windows are still not appropriate. Pohl — There is a huge amount of porch wrapping around; a lot of that could changed to interior space and create an L- shape. The design is in keeping with the rest of the houses out there. The piece on the side is the largest problem. Glazer — Agrees. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 25. Appleby, Howard 11 Mattapoisett Road Hardscape- pool /fence 82 -376 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing None Public None Concerns None at this time. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 26. Seacliff LLC 144 Cliff Road Revision to main house 41 -76 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (8:47) Staff — Read previous concerns from Feb. 3. Williams — South elevation, the dormer doesn't have a window. Pohl — Behind the roof, the south elevation dormer continues and there are windows. Motion Motion to Approve. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63181 27. Vinecliff #2 NT 47 Cliff Road- Lot 1 Hardscape — retaining wall 29-43 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — The wall has been pulled back and will now align exactly with the abutters. The wall is barely visible even with all the leaves gone. Public None Concerns (8:51) Williams — Her concern is extending the yard so that it requires a wall that is twice as deep. Camp — An increase of 6 feet of yard isn't a lot. Motion Motion to Approve. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63182 Page 10 of 12 Sitting Williams, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Matt MaeEaehern, Emeritus Development — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. There is no window pan. A. Roberts, Emeritus Development Public None Concerns (9:08) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 29. Williams — The west elevation dormers are not approvable; drawing looks like there is a window pan. Motion Motion to Approve. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63183 Page 11 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted \tar. 3 28. WROE 91 Tom Nevers Road Addition to dwelling 91 -17 CXX'A Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Chip Webster, Chip Webster Associates — Asked this be carried to the next scheduled meeting. Public None Concerns None Motion Motion to Hold for Tuesday, February 17 meeting. (Coomb) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 29. Ottatal LLC 46 Surfside Road Rev. COA 60911: fenestration 67 -773 C`X'A Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer !Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Chip Webster, Chip Webster Associates — Asked this be carried to the next scheduled meeting. Public None Concerns None Motion Motion to Hold for Tuesday, February 17 meeting. (Coomb) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 30. Johnson, Brendan 18 Madequecham Valley Rd Revisions new dwelling 89 -15 Emeritus Sitting Williams, Pohl, Glazer ,-Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Matt MaeEaehern, Emeritus Development — Dated the structure circa 1955. Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. The existing structure has a similar roof form; this building is a bit wider with a slightly steeper pitch. A. Roberts, Emeritus Development Public None Concerns (8:58) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 29. Williams — She is not going with 28 feet with it being 4 feet out of the ground. There is no reason for this to be out of the ground 4 feet; putting this back at ground level will drop 4 feet off the height. The 11, floor sill is 4 feet out of the with 2 stories above that. The height out of the ground is an existing condition for a 1 -story structure. This is not ground going to be a 2 -story structure 4 feet out of the ground. If this were sitting at grade, she wouldn't be saying much of anything; and it also has wire. None of the others structures are 28 feet because they are 4 feet out of the ground. She wants this to be at grade. It is also 45 feet of unbroken length which is accentuated by the height. It is 80 feet along the bluff. Pohl — This is not a 2 -story house because it has a single story plate with dormers. This has a very material difference from the previous submission, which 1V2 stories with the eaves 5 feet higher. It is their prerogative to have the I It floor at this level. The height of the ridge and height of the plate are different. This is a well executed design. Asked for heights and lengths of other structures in the area out of deference to the chair. Glazer — There is a 1 -story house from 1955 that is 4 feet out of the ground. Agrees with Mr. Pohl. She has no concerns with wire rails. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions and further information. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 31. McAvoy /Kennelpt Prop 24 Sankaty Head Road New garage 48 -1.7 Emeritus Sitting Williams, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Matt MaeEaehern, Emeritus Development — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. There is no window pan. A. Roberts, Emeritus Development Public None Concerns (9:08) Staff — Read previous concerns from Jan. 29. Williams — The west elevation dormers are not approvable; drawing looks like there is a window pan. Motion Motion to Approve. (Pohl) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63183 Page 11 of 12 Minutes for February 10, 2015, adopted -Mar. 3 32. Sandra Comstock RT 27 Hinckley Lane New dwelling 42.4.3 -53 Emeritus Sitting Williams, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Matt MaeEaehern, Emeritus Development — Presented a 3D drawing for reference of the massing. Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. The existing structure has no architecture correlation to this house; they look as separate lots. Stated that they probably will go for a complete demo for ZBA purposes; presently this is a renovation. Sande Roberts, Emeritus Development Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C. — These were not built as primary/ secondary dwellings; they were built prior to that. Also, we don't have any control over what the other owner will do and suspect there will be an application for a larger Public structure coming in. Kenneth Gullicksen, Reade, Gullicksen, Hanley, & Gifford LLP for Elizabeth 'on Summer, 27R Hinckley- Lane — Couldn't find anything in the file about the existing structures to compare the two dwellings; don't know how primary/ secondary can be judged without that reference. Concerns (9:11) Williams — The east elevation, this looks ridiculous, the dormer needs to be set back 1 foot. For HDC purposes, we don't care if it is condo'ed or not; we are only looking at the architecture features and look at the lot so that visually they have to be in the required hierarchy. We would have to justify this being over 22 feet. Pohl — There had been discussion about enforcing the 22 -foot secondary dwelling rule that is for a main house and guest house. His conclusion was that with a condo, it is different than a single property owned by a single entity which share architectural style; there will probably be landscaping so that they look like separate properties. Feels that 25 feet high is reasonable. Discussion about the possibility of the applicant coming in with a demolition application for this property and stay within the existing footprint. Pohl — This building has come a long way and fits the neighborhood. Some of the dormers will be impossible to shingle due to their proximity to chimneys and other elements. Glazer — Above the north door, the shed dormer meeting rails need to come down. The hipped roof porch with 7 columns is excessive; if the hip is tightened up, two columns could be eliminated. Williams — East elevation, the porch has a 3 pitch. West elevation porch has a 3 pitch. Dormers need to be put in line; some are low and some are high. If the roof walk is shortened, it comes off the ridge. We're into details. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 33. Sandra Comstock RT 27 Hinckley Lane New garage 42.4.3 -53 Emeritus Sitting Williams, Pohl, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Matt MacEachern, Emeritus Development Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C. Sande Roberts, Emeritus Development Public Kenneth Gullicksen, Reade, Gullicksen, Hanley, & Gifford LLP for Elizabeth Von Summer, 27R Hinckle} Lane Concerns No comments at this time. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # -,Motion to Adjourn: 9:31 p.m. Submitted by: 'ferry L. Norton Nantucket Old Historic District `Sconset Old Historic District 111111M Old Madaket Village Page 12 of 12 OTHER Approve Minutes September 30, 2014, January 29, 2015 Review Minutes February 3 & 5, 2015 Other Business 1. Schedule Changes — no meetings during School Vacation 2/24 & 4/21/2015; and Town -Meeting 4/7/2015; and hold a meeting on 4/9/2015. Motion to Approve these schedule changes. (Glazer) Carried 3 -0 2. 29 N. Liberty Street Hearin 1:00 P.M. Thursday, Feb. 12, 2015 Commission Comments I None -,Motion to Adjourn: 9:31 p.m. Submitted by: 'ferry L. Norton Nantucket Old Historic District `Sconset Old Historic District 111111M Old Madaket Village Page 12 of 12