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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2015-3-5Minutes for March 5, 2015, adopted Mar. 24 HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION 2 Fairgrounds Road Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554 www.nantucket- ma.g_ov Commissioners: Linda Williams (Chair), Dawn IIill- I-Ioldgate (Vice- chair), John McLaughlin, Diane Coombs, Raymond Pohl Associate Commissioners: Jascin Leonardo Abigail Camp, Kristine Glazer Staff: Mark Voigt MINUTES Thursday, March 5, 2015 Public Safety Facility, 4 Fairgrounds Road, Training Room — 1:00 p.m. Called to order at 1:04 p.m. Staff in attendance: K. Bedell, Administrative Specialist; T. Norton, Town Minutes Taker Attending Members: Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Absent Members: Leonardo Late Arrivals: Williams 1:08 p.m. Early Departures: Pohl, 2:39 p.m.; McLaughlin, 2:44 p.m. Agenda adopted as amended by unanimous consent. COMMENT 1. PUBLIC None CONSENT 1. Preserve Nantucket — 63273 15 Meader Street Hardscape -patio /fence /gates 42.2.3 -45 Terry Sanford 2. 811, Ave. SoLLC /Lothian — 63274 4 Corby Way Rev:COA63119 b acc /win /dor 67 -760 Self *Change entrance to basement access to rear or gate the opening; drop rear dormer 6 "-1' from ridge maintain 1' setback of bottom of dormer from vertical wall below, pitch no less than 4/12; NEEDS TO BE CHANGED Applicant is having difficulty with the dormer clarify before staff approval Sitting Hill - Holdgate, McLaughlin, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Ethan Mc-Morrow Public After Ms Williams arrived, discussion about a change in the conditions regarding 4 Corby Way. Only condition is to move the basement access to the rear. Dormer is being left as is. The item was not reopened and motion reconsidered to make the change as noted by Ms Williams. Concerns None Motion Motion to Approve through staff with noted conditions. (Camp) Vote Carried 4 -0 /McLaughlin abstain Certificate # 63273 and 63274 Minutes for March 5, 2015, adopted Mar. 24 1. NPS 10 & 30 Surfside Road New NES and add to CPS 55- 137 &101 SMRT /Hannon Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, McLaughlin, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Documentation PowerPoint presentation. Representing Dick Webb, SMRT Architects and Engineers — Introduced Team. Reviewed work SHIRT has done with NPS. Explained the intent behind the siting of the new school referring to the site plan. Paul Lewandowski, SMRT Architects and Engineers — Design process will be from now until November 2015; construction probably to start January 2016; anticipate a formal application to HDC will take place after the referendum vote at Town Meeting. Presented the preliminary concept plan to include location. The proposal is a 75,000 square feet(SF) 2 -story intermediate school for grades 3 -5. The actual footprint is about 45,000SF. For the classroom area, the cave is at about 28 feet and the ridge is at about 45 feet, with 10 -foot ceilings in the classrooms; the gym is all open space with and cave height of 25 feet and the ridge height at 48 feet. The gym could present as an cave end or gable end to the courtyard area; the gable end fits better. Siding is to bee white cedar; the trim is to match the elementary school. Explained the options for the porch columns: shingled or paneled. All roof pitches are 8/12. Rob Hannon, SMRT Architects and Engineers Mickey Rowland, Rowland and Associates Michael Cozort, Superintendant Nantucket Public Schools (NPS) — The timeline is: Annual Town Meeting on April 6; the ballot vote on April 14; design and engineering work then can begin; proposed opening date December 2017. Diane O'Neil, Director of Facilities NPS Kate Everett, Mechanical Enigeer Sl1RT Architects and Engineers Public Mark Cutone, BPC Concerns (1:08) McLaughlin — Feels that as a public building, it is visible from all sides. Williams — Does not agree. Asserts the courtyard area is not a public way. Pohl & Hill - Holdgate — Feel the entry should be treated as viewable from a public way. Pohl — The four gables read like a very over - scaled army barracks, very stark. Having the gym gable forward adds to that. The four "bars" are the same size, fenestration, and on the same plane. The portico brings it down to the human scale. The challenge is to humanize this structure. Cozort — Explained how the existing school interior is laid out and how the new school will match. Coombs — Asked what is above the ceiling of the 21d floor. Changes in the ridge height would provide variation. Lewandowski — Ms Everett is designing the mechanicals now; that might allow the ridge height to come down. Putting the mechanicals in the attic saves on the cost of pouring a basement. Showed window options: 12- over -1, 1- over -1, plus 2 bays of triple or 4 bays of double, adding pent roofs over second floor windows. McLaughlin — Would like to see the height of the gym brought down. Prefers the gable forward for the gym. Camp — The gable vents could be more decorative and fill the space better. Glazer — Prefers the cave facing and likes the narrow vents. Also prefers the portico with the flat roof behind it. Pohl — Agrees about the cave facing. The flat -roof element breaks up the building. Coombs — Would like to see the elevations as viewed from the roads. Hill - Holdgate — Thinking of the impact on Backus Road, the cave of the gym might work better. Would like to see that view. The height along Backus Road would be more important. Prefers shingled columns; display cases under the porch should be shingled around. Plate -glass connectors should be more traditional as picture windows. A bay somewhere on the gables might break up the wall masses. McLaughlin — The floor to ceiling glass in the connectors is too much. Visually they are over fenestrated. Doesn't like the tall narrow vents; they should be squarer. Camp — Prefers the paneled columns because it breaks up the shingled wall; they pop out. Williams — Prefers the gym gable forward because it narrows the profile. Along Backus Road the cave forward would be very long and tall. Gable forward keeps the foot print more compact. Consensus is that more windows look friendlier, the 4 bays of double 12- over -1 windows. Consensus on the columns is they should be paneled. Discussion about whether or not there should be a porch on the Backus Road side outside the media center and cafeteria. Preference is for 3 -tab shingled roof. Discussion about the possibility of using solar shingles. Cutone — Pointed out that trying to make this look like a series of cottages won't work. Finds the entry in the smallest element an interesting approach. Suggested introducing more 1 -story elements to make it more inviting. It is important to develop perspectives from the major public corridor. Page 2of5 Minutes for March 5, 2015, adopted Mar. 24 RIAW91 N 011 J W 1010613 M 3. Petrini, Robert 34 Quidnet Road New dwelling 21 -53 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — Reviewed the project and changes made per previous concerns. The layout is dictated by Planning. He has identified over 5 homes within 'Amile of this structure that have a greater footprint than this structure. Trim is to be muted with dark sashes. Steven Cohen, Cohen & Cohen Law PC Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C., for Quidnet /Squam Association — Massing hasn't changed. Not sympathetic about the conditions placed on this by the Planning Board and the Massachusetts Endangered Species Act (:MESA) restrictions. This will be completely visible and the development will create a wall of houses. Wants to see the height and massing reduced. Concerns (2:17) Williams — Read Luke Thornewill's email expressing the inappropriateness of the massing. Pohl — Appreciates the changes; the gambrel is working. North elevation, the front, the left side has improved. Don't mind the 1 -story break uniting the piece going down the hill to the gambrel. There seems to be a lot of different types of windows; the fagades should be better organized in regards to window styles and alignment. Glazer — Agree with Mr. Pohl. The south elevation is over fenestrated. Camp — Still think it is generally too large. Likes the gambrel design. The west elevation is still too long and large; the 2nd - floor "A" window seems oversized. Liked the cross -bucks on the front. Coombs — Would like to see it reduced a little more. Agree about the over fenestration of the south elevation. Agree about the 1 -story going down the hill. Agree with what's been said. Williams — Agree with Ms Camp. Still don't think it is appropriate except for the gambrel. It is still too large and fills the lot. Between the front elevation to the back is 90 feet long and visible. The "B" casement windows in the dormers are inappropriate. The "A" windows are one size too big. The eave height of the addition is higher than the main mass. West elevation is 90 feet, the exterior chimney is inappropriate; the connector shouldn't be angled and shouldn't be that long. South elevation is entirely visible, the pergola is oversized and it is over fenestrated and the exterior chimney is inappropriate; the decks are to big with too many French doors. East elevation, it is visible, the 8 -foot doors are inappropriate, too much ganging, too many "C" windows. The height is okay. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 4. Petrini, Robert 34 Quidnet Road New garage 21 -53 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC Steven Cohen, Cohen & Cohen Law PC Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C., for Quidnet /Squam Association Concerns None at this time. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 5. Petrini, Robert 34 Quidnet Road Hardscape: pool /patio /fence 21 -53 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Pohl, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC Steven Cohen, Cohen & Cohen Law PC Public Sarah Alger, Sarah F. Alger P.C., for Quidnet /Squam Association Concerns None at this time. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Glazer) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Page 3 of 5 Minutes for March 5, 2015, adopted Mar. 24 6. Gre }woods LLC 63 Hummock Pond Road New dwelling 56 -466 BPC Sitting Williams, Coombs, Camp, Glazer Alternates McLaughlin departed after his comment. Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Presented alternative at the table. Public None Concerns (2:40) Clarification of orientation. Williams — The cheek walls in the southeast dormers need to be brought in 6" each side. Southwest elevation, the windows need to align better same on the northeast. McLaughlin — The dormer changes make it appropriate for the neighborhood. Coombs — The houses in that area are usually set well back from the road. Agree about the dormers. Camp — The dormers looks top heavy. The front door trim needs to be beefed up with perhaps a railing on the steps. Glazer — Agrees. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with the southeast elevation per Exhibit A with the cheek walls brought in 6" each side, the trim on front door added to, and the front stoop rectangular with railings; the southwest elevation the center "A" window to move right to align with the "B" above it; the northeast elevation the right "A" window to move right to align with the "B" above it. (Coombs) Vote Carried 4 -0 Certificate # 63275 7. 10 Bishop's Rise LLC 10 Bishop's Rise New dwelling 40 -42 BPC Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — Reviewed changes made per previous concerns. Public None Concerns (2:48) Williams — Need to see the basement plan showing the walk down; the elevation doesn't show which direction it is going. Hill - Holdgate — Prefer the 6 -light; 6- over -1 windows would be preferable. Coombs — Agree with Ms Hill - Holdgate. Williams — The `B" windows are short and squat, the pane size should match the "A" windows. Too many "C" windows. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with all windows to be 6- over -1 and "B" windows will get longer and be 6- over-1 with vertical panes and French doors to be 15 light. (Hill - Holdgate) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63276 8. 10 Bishop's Rise LLC 10 Bishop's Rise New garage 40 -42 BPC Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Mark Cutone, BPC — In light of the previous discussion the suggest bay windows be 6- over -1. -Mass off back changed to gable roof. Public None Concerns (2:55) Discussion about the 8 -light window. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with the "A" windows to be 6- over -1. (Hill- Holdgate) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 63277 Page 4 of 5 Minutes for March 5, 2015, adopted Mar. 24 9. 42 Union Street LLC 42 Union Strut I I New !rouse 42:3.2 -28 Ethan McMorrow Sitting Williams, Hill- Holdgate, Camp, Glazer Alternates Documentation Recused Coombs Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Terry Sanford — Says the garage would be used for storage. The easement for the drive is on the rear off Fayette Street. Public Diane Holdgate, for 44 Union Street — The roof walk is too big. Asked how they would get into the garage. The shared Motion to Hold to track. (Camp) driveway is going to impact a tiny side street with only four small houses. HDC would be approving a garage that has no Carried unanimously Certificate # access. Concerns (2:57) Staff — Read single member of HSAB comments. Williams — Reviewed changes made to the plans after they were submitted. The roof walk is too big, it is 9X14; should be 8X12. The dormer can't have an egress window; the egress has to be on the gable end. Not going to approve a casement window in a 3rd -floor dormer. Camp — We can address material and size of the driveway when it comes in; asked them to be sensitive to the neighbors in regards to the driveway. Glazer — It looks like the porch is barely accessible. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # 10. 42 Union Street L LC 42 Uni=on Street Demo garage 42.3.2 -28 Ethan McMorrow Sitting Williams, Camp, Glazer Alternates None Recused Coombs Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Representing Terry Sanford Public None Concerns (2:57) No concerns. Motion Motion to Hold to track. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate # Motion to Adjourn: 3:19 p.m. Submitted by: Terry L. Norton Nantucket Gild Historic District `Sconset Old Historic District Page 5 of 5 JVJJJNW Old Madaket Pillage VI. OTHER BUSINESS Approve Minutes Sept. 30, 2014 Review Minutes Feb. 12, 17, 19, 2015 Other Business Next Thursday, March 12, Sachem Path is bringing in design plans for preliminary review. Commission Comments None Motion to Adjourn: 3:19 p.m. Submitted by: Terry L. Norton Nantucket Gild Historic District `Sconset Old Historic District Page 5 of 5 JVJJJNW Old Madaket Pillage