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MEET I NG 11 I NUTES FOR t1ARCH 7" 1 991
The meeting was called to order at 7:05 PM in the Large Group
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presen~~er......l,:aUt'il Hus...V', .Peter ,"Wi lson,:Pe~er 11>~~~cI~;~;~"J~.P4!lif!1
Kell iher~~an'd'Henry W,,>iersk i . Also pres"I"l:t::. ,..ere,B1'"~. ;;~errt,'
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1. PplpisBike Path discussion
B.:. COttt1ENTS AND &lUESTIDNS FROM PRESS AND. PUBLIC
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~Qmmi~Eii.c:m"'r AQ he is employed by majorabuttet'tQtn~i'.; ....
,pro..i,ect; however, his expertise and comments' arer'f!q~~~ted.;:
Laura'H~ssey abstains "t'-om the dj:.sC4~sioJl ,.as;.a,,:.~t;>>H~'~'E,. t()~he
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Mr. Wasierski asks for questions on the analysis.
Dr. Dunwiddie asks if' the$etback guidelines are mandated?
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Mr. Thompson says they are i:rying>toJespor\d.J;o.the
problem of' P4plic:safety.. ,Says.these~bafFkj i__'<"~8e'l~.r:y ,to
allOw for stones kicked onto . the path.1:'-~~P:$<~t:I"~;ide".ii,9n
guidel ines call for a guardrai 1 to 'be.5"'9f'f1;h~~,r()ad. ..' In
order to improveth~ Town 's chances. to qu~lifyfor state
grants we need to 'follow the gu:idel ines'.:t'pr;'a,'ClassOne
bikepath.
Dr. Dunwiddie says the designs seem. to talk to pub'lic
safety i,ssues; whera does conser:wation prp:tectJol1: co<<ne into
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Mr. Thompson says the. intent is-to mct.ilq::!,i~' a,Cla'ss 1 .path.
Part of the projec~wi 11 be the rep I ic.at 1'on area.
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Mrs.'Hu$seyasksi.f'.the replic,:ltio.p,i~l~.l,li;P~<i!~,gne"ar:ea or
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Hr. Thompson says' they have ldt::,;.l.ifie'd., t~ or:'three
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Mr. Perry comments'. thattheComm i!is i'qp.has;;TIi . th~past ,.
requfredgreater" than one. ~O.Dner.Plica~ioniP,lans 4lldi;rlmost
cases calls 'for a two tOl1J1'\e.replacement.
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Dr. 'Dunwiddie emphasizes that the>mis~iori
Commission is to protect .the _t lands.'i:"
Mr., .Jeff Willett from the Planning CQmmiSisions~y~ tha.~
public safetyhasa'hi9her priority and ~t1atjif,~ncroa(:hml!nt
of thebikepath 1stooc:loseto,the Toad~ ,accidents 'h~ppen.
Cites reports of 3 accidents ,this week on the Madaket bikepath
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'Dunwi<ddie says what needs to be considered is the
haw safe 'do we make it; howfar,'intotthei wetlands do
What is needed is a compromiseto,make,i'C: reasonably
It would seem that any bike path is safer'thannone.
Hr. Wasierski asks if bikes are getting hit on Polpis
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Brian Wiese respondS that ther"e area number of
from property owners along Polp s Road of cars running
road onto their property. Cont riues that the
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, perception of safety is an important f'actor to the tourist
businEt'ss~
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Ms. Nancy Severns asks what does replication cost?
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Mr. Thompson responds $80,000 tQ;$lOQ.;,qoO::pe{"i,'acr:~.:qr
approximately $200,000 for this project;. , "_'un
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. Ms. Severns notes that there is a bill on Beacbl"l{'Hill
whictlspecifically names Nantucket a$ beingeligU;)le:f'or a
grant.
Dr. Dunwiddie says that replic:a~,jo1Jeffo.rt,,()B,Na~t,~c,ket
has an abysmal track record. Alsoat'is~uei~~ ","8rll!~~~.i S;t)ould
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Hr. Thompson, says the lo.cat ion would be up toth~;<.:;;
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Dr. Dunwiddiedisagrees, says it is up to the landowners
and the,app l.iJ:.ant.__t..Q.tpropose,a, loc~ti_on.
Mr..John Lodge asks why is it neces.;lryto.'replica~eltwo
'to. one.
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Dr. DUnwlddie responds that it is partly. bfl!cause.lt'
usually is not successful.
Mr. Lodge asks if,the Town h.ss hadapyreplicaticm, done.
Mr. Perry'says yes, there is one out by the landfifl which
was not done'correctly.
Mr. Thompson says that you can't compare what wa!lido.ne a
few years ago to what can,be success'ful ~ydo,ne ,now. "Cites one
recent: very successful replication they have do.,e", No~es,
however, thatthl!!';wildlife value}is diff'icult~o detti!r:.,.lne.
Says the design prClcess is, much different today; tl1at"borings
are made and tests taken over a period of several ,yeo1lm;.
Mr,. Perry note's the two to one rule is also to. encourage
people to find an alternative to wetland fillillg.
Mr. .Jim Lentowski from the Conservation Foundation asks
~ how they arrived at 54,000 sq. ft. and if it includes any
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disruption. Also, asks if the grade of cross sections are at
grade with the wetland.
Mr. Perry,asks to see across section. If it is at grade
is it above the', f'loodzone? .'
Mr. Thomp,sonsaysthey have raised it 1,'.;'
Mr. Perry asks if they will dig it out to give a firm
base.
f1r". Thompson saystl1.iswill bit. source ofsoi ls to use in
replication; they will 'be putting ,in a stone base..
Mr. Lentowsk-i asks ift~Ety'wili:bE!rE!m()yi",g.soil from
unde'rthe ,shoulder. "Ifr.sc),.::~i'.il';'e' be le'f;t'wi~b'a corrugated
sl.lrf'ace c:;:aused by effects. of f'rost.;When sand is put under
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Mr'.Thompson respond~",:thatthere is. another factor that.
lI\Iou1d ~ause thi~occ;,4Lrencewhic;h is vehicle loa~~ng 01"1 the
Path~'Says the path.willo.....adILstablef'orbikes. Also a
design consideration isthef'requency factor.
Mr. Lentowski asks what/is the tidal level; Is l' going to
~ take care of that?
Mr. Thompson says the path has.been designed to be out of
water.
Mrs'. Hussey asks if bridges are not be,ing considered at
all.
,Mr. Thompson respo",ds no, they were planning a deck design
2 I off the wet land and.a~2'. railing above deck would be .
. required. The Town obiec1:fi!d',to therai lirigand the first
impressions that DEP'.gave was that the bridging would be
considered altering.
Mrs. Severns comments we are at an, impasse and a
compromise seems necessarY. For instance 'we could star~ the
bikepath further out and end it sooner; have a few bridges.
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Mr. Thompson says tha t deck i ng '.counts as 1'11.1 i ng because
of shac:Ung. .For it not to affect the wetla~~;._wpt;Jl_have to be
8' above the;surface.
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Mr. Willett says what is needed is a word 1'rom the Con Com
as tc) what t.heywoUld,oe likely t04Pprove.N@@QfJ...void the
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.Mr. Perry Siaytit the commis$ion's position-,\has'~e~~n,.
consistent: to move the bikepath as close tothefroa~(aS'
possible ands,t ill the Commission is not completely convinced
that the 12 feet is the minimum distance.
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Mr. Thompson says in the redesign}'O% i!';!,~ ba.t;l< 12' from
the road;, 40% is 'set back 10 'andabout'(20Kls:setback 6 I.
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Hr. Thomp.son says the char t they have prepared ,repr....nts
an ef'fortto come as close to tht! road ats.Jwe.can and yet meet
the design standards.'for bike and road regulations.
Dr. 'Dunwiddie wonders if the measurefPents reflect
readjOsted. wetland ,boundaries. He says the> cost balance co,uld
be quite, a different story depending on where the,wetland
boundaries actually are. If you put the wetland boundary
where-in some cases it should be ad.justed,. havingil 6 I,
separation would mean virtually no fi,ll ingof : the wetland,
wherea. a 12' separation wouldr~sult 11"1, a lot more~ So the
apparent savings ofa 6' separation vs. a 12' s~p.ration would
be a lot more ,thanwha,t you are showi-ng becaus~ of' the _
readjustment of the wetland boundary. Believes they are
actually closer to the roadway in some cases,. What you are
showing right now will not result ina big savings by moving
~ ' 6' closer to the road for 5000 sq. ft of wetlands. But I
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beHieve it is going to be a lot bigger savings in wetlands
wi t.,that 6' setb.ackthanwhat you're showing wi tHe the.;)
adjusted wetland bo~ndaries.
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, . ", Hr. Thompson agreestha t if, remeasuredsome ..cou ld be
closer to the road than what we have now. Bel,ievesthey have
bliten eonservativeinestabl/ishing.the wetlandboundari-es'-and-"'-"
t",at.~ocne of the areas they said were wetlands CIlaynot>be
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Mr. Magnee says they didn't finish the evaluation?inthe
',field and says this is worst case scenario. Believes it' needs
, tp .,., t:nittreevaluated .
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cOqtp.romi se. In' cases where, >.0 Vlng< it it'o '6/:: W~'U.'d!~~r~~li'2!,,;j~t;
l$Ubsta,nttal'savings in minimizing wet l.nd.,fillingt'l;;itfttn~l.w,.,
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. f"ll'lJbg ,then. keep it out at 12'6eeause Y0l1'rei,g'oi."g;:,,~tti:,1ril
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~t!~'i.ame amc:aun!...J''f ._wet 1 a_nd _ how~ver. .11;~! ~~_ I_f,_Y(:iu ~~t"i nk,:th. i*,
l~.'",is a safer bike pa~h, fine. I think weneed"t()';b~Wk,abl~
to~d.ntify tho,$& areas where a reduction in .thewetland' '; ;,~:"
f~lriJ'tgwill occur with narrowe1"'separation. ,"
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Hr. Thompson th i nt<:s .the exerc i se may change' th~ 'nuMbers'lfin
thecat.gories but does not believe they willchar,gecthenet,
rltM(lifbecause 'o'fslope constraints or whatever. Tflefsucercise
they.,entthrough was not "c:an we get it out o.fthe:...etland~?"
but "if we,: move it to this location, what isthe'impactLon'the
(wetland) line?" "For example, if I go from10"toS'does'
the grade ,difference.,o,fthe bikepath and the roadwaY'pushm~
into the guardrail or does the slope affec1: :safety iini~t.erCllsr'of.
the roadway at this location?"
Mr. Magnee feels. to, take the eKercise one, more step .'to':,.
changetheboundaries1 might be:worthwhi'le. Adds.thererwill.:be
$ome slope constralnts.whic;h,will p....vent change in: some
areas. Notes some areas that Dr. Dunwiddie reviewed were.
flat.. Talking one mi leof wetland, perhaps 15% could be
decreased to 6' offset which would be'theabsolute maximum we
could recognize.
"Pete" present in the audienc'e proposes an option could :be
~., to make the bikepath inland from Polpis Road in an area on the
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map st'lownas>eClut Road which goes.through Alter Rock.
Bel ievesJP~',woUld :1!i~Yealot . eFf mon.y, would avoid wll'tlands
and be a more scenic location.
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Hs. Ch.fylCreigh ton of the " Nantucket , Land,C~,unc i l asks
someonecl~rify the 'statement thattflere is no diIf'ference
between bridg ing andf ill i ng Clscrti!l atedto hydr,olqqy-....iand'
soi Is .Wi:th.bridging the vege:tationmiQht beal'trer.abat' the
hYdrolctc;JY:~\iU'd'the soi Is will remain iunaltered .Wi th fi 11 ing,
the are~~:'1j.lledwi 11 cease to be,.~'~ingaswetland.
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Dr .I)~l'lwiddie!iaY!i she i.s I" iCiJht, that .the hydrological
. impacti""i:tridging.woUldbeless>i,,':confined wetlaRd!l than ,in
fi.lli n.~t";1"C;;4~r~,~nall:Y'~ge would 1 i ke:~~~~;I;;ee 'mor~' co.n5~d.ration
gi"'~Jlt~.i~'ti~'i[!.rgJn,particular "loc..l~onswher~i tmaybea
sft\all,,;f.:q.~~'s'ed.,..,~,l'~nd" and, 1;he,a~t'Q,I!rfi 11 i ng1fClf th.,
n ikepat~,r!"il~ :rtfp...esentasigni fican~,reductioniFl the', V01Uche
of,that'pil1"'~ic~lar. wf:!tland. ,In thos!instanceti bridf;Jingtl~ght
lOb~ ~glJ.i~~tt.(f:cHowe>ve>rt- crthei~tiG~.lly a talge' omn:~I)~e5enr ---
bri~gE! II\ft~.,>railings from a wetla"d!iwildlife perspective
__ r_!presentsassignificant ~ b~rier ;:asr,~ 'fi lIed area..
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Mr..~illet~ sa~s we can't do final design wi1:h wha~ we've
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Mr. Perry suggests we have a,working session in tnefield
withthec:opc::er"J'led parties fol.lowed by a meeting to discuss
each >we~ land. ii. <> t ' .' .
Mr. ThOMpSOn says he wO.\,11d likEF'. conclusion to the'
project to take to the Town which consists of variousl)oards
as well as the public. WouldencourClge ~he working!ie~sion be
stheduledsoon in order to move forward as soon 'as possible.
"r~, Wasierski says he isworri.d about theamount.,- of
wetland' r~p.l ication. ,He says week 'after week ~e 1 is~en't'o
peop le.,.howant ~o 'CIa' someth i ng....i'h' thfi!i r wetland; to III.' -.the
town is 1"10 different than any other tJody that propolies'work
that wi 11 a'ffec t the wet 1 and.
Mr. Thompson disagrees, says there should be a distinction
between a private project whichfs'dbne for profit and private
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enhancement and this
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safety must be
Mr. W.sierski: asks lef.in any caseth~p..th ,could go inland
around the "".tl__nd.
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Dr. DUTl...id~i:eadd~'th~t in' a lot o.'f areas the road is
filled wetl.andalready.
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agel"ldawbic:h c:an:,be,adci\'J'e."d:a"',~he:,ne)(t .wor,king se~sion.
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M"'s~E~41'le'-:\'),;encour~9~~a.c;ompr9",ise in the areaswtiere
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Mr. Thl;:unpson,says.hewouldli,ke,1:o have Dr. Dunwiddie to
representtbe'wEt~lanclcCJl'lcerTls:aTld"r. ,., Wi llett concerns of
, pUblic: sa'fetyat'the'workingse!isionl and they will put~tle
cross!5ectionsthe back of. apickjup and havea.r1 all day
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Dr. Dunwiddie says he would agree but has one concern"
that being whattempl~te!theyay-e,u!5in9. Does not want to' use
.~ a temp lat., that always ha$.a lc;! ~"sep~ration as there are other
options.
Mr. Th9mpso,n says';ti,e.belieVti!sthere'are certain guidelines
where the guardrail has to be considered. That where they
. wi 11 ,find . ~tlere is, playifi .intl1e eltlvation of the path above
the .wetland. Basically the~r template is the width of ,the
path andit'dependsonhow yousetitlwlthin that location.
Some are"$'theycannot violatebecausti!of required recovery
zones for vehicles. Does not1;hink he would be entering into
this working session with a so'-called typical section. The
only one that cciuld really be called typical is the one where
youhave the grade difference wi~h1;ll~ retaining wall. Other
than that the purposes of the session will be to set the
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Mr. Wilson notes the solution will be more apparent in the
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Mr. Wasierski asks if th~y have a r~plication plan.
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Mr. ThompsonsaY!iMY";.gf!'OIJ,cbd,i:Q"'tuw~lI"lt' to '.' discuss
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Mr. Wille:tt say~,tt-.e"qJ.stioDPf repli'aation areas should
be included 01"1 the agenda. '
Mr. Thompson !iay~.ryeiiW~:U.,!!~~pect tp walk away from the
session withttte sec:~,i()TI~.,~r't!tt,lIeCtn.'. In the -t:ew that we
dpn ' t agree' On, ~'i'''''~! ~~~~,;{i~!'~ ~;.~;~f!i,Jg r'lFf,lteri awi tt"l. .r~eCj3 ar d to
public safety are met .,to)ia.'terminEi1i4,where ,.we can bui let.
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,_Dr'."Dunwiddie;,Clst<s:~,:fr;~~Y'>ctesigfl,in the six propOSt!d.
prevu)usl y'tney 'outandj,p~~,ti"fil!jec:t,.l, 'u'~ . '"'.
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~_' Mr .ThQ"'PJi(H~Jii,~y~*at. i;.....t'i,~ 'a 6', mi yj,imum separation is as
far down as you want togo!,~nterms of being able to avoid
pebbles and stones; ~lso','nltt~d"a'5' m.ini.mum recovery distance
for a vehicle.
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Mr. Magnee notesthepr()t:rleCll wi.th four feet is it doesn't
:allowfortelephone:,polEi!!H .;t;i1)(;fEfet does.
"Faith" asks what tt't~P1'"oblem is with guard rails; are
they illegal, unsafe,!ori'unilsthetic?
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Mr. Thompson saysboth'.;ansa'feand unesthetic. Concludes
that he will workthrou~i~lm~.Willett, and Mr. Perry to set
dates for the- working m.eting. '.
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1. Rowley - 28 TennesseeA"enue - SE48...,.640 - (60.1.2-31)
Present for 'the applicant is David,Wiley.
Mr. Perry says we are waiting ,for the sepi;~c location"and
a, DEP file number. The file number has been received. Also
need some elevations and if the addition is. goirag to be put on
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Mr; Wiley shows the septic location is outside our
jurisdiction.
Mr,. ,PerrY notes t~elot is !iurrounded by trees and
r~c:()~",lne1"ld$' the trees remaIn ,and "o,t be severely pr,uned to
i mpr~ve the V few .,--,-...,.."-""C~~cr;'--" ", H,_ "'_'_--'H'~_~_'
MOTION: To close the hearing 'and draft an Order
is made and seconded.
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Richards-25 East Tri,st,ram ,Ave.
SElt8:-609 (31-1)
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Mr. Perry says the ~ppli(:a.",thas. r~qu.,sted,the. hearing be
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MOTION: TOCOJltlnue-a't/tne req-uest ,of
applicant was made andsecorided. ' '
UNANIMOUS
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3. Greenberg - 21 E. Tristram's Ave.- SE48-557 (31-3)
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Mr. Perry says the applicant has r~uestedthe hearing be
continued.
MOTION: To, cont.inueat the request of the
app 1 i cant wClsmade and .,. seconded.
* 4. Lang - 98 Tom Nevers Road - SE48-642 "- (91-40)
Present was the applicant Robert Lang.
Mr. Wasierski reads ,the ,inspection.report which- suggest.s,
that there is space to build the structure further-back than
at the minimum 50 setback. Also asks what is the erosion
rate of the bank.
Mr. Lang says there is
property has experience an
~"" 1982; the bluff is totally
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1"10 er~sion rate; i'n fact the
accretion since he has owned it in
vegetated and stable.
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""'. Wasier'ski asks if the. property is w,i thin Mass..
Her i tage' jur isd tct ion.
Mr..Perry,says
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have 'not' commented
jurisdiction. '.
Appendix A ha.. been submitted but they have.
He is on the edge of: the 1 ineand they .
if it hi ims:U,iW or outside-their,-
, l.~
Dr. Dunwiddie asks if he would consider setting the
cottage:back.
Mr. Lang say.s until the last town meeting he had', intended
to, le~",ethear.a C:lo~etD'thebiuffw,nere you'se..th,e,second
d..,ellingpr.fi!tty much open ,and pCJtt,i,ng"~he"f1la1.1>:c:9:~;~age,.
fu~ther" back. To -take, 4dvilnltage of ,~h.} .view 'f'~.J7.;,tl:le"sfl)!lll
CQtt~9c ""hich is what he ""ants to bui Id,first,hfi..:w,ould-....a.ve
had tp bui ld .th~_geckingof t"~~~~4bo"Vet"e;;1 i~ej.'1';order
t.oseedown on-the beach. ,Thena t townmee~1 "9 -i"t~a~}t... --
approved' that you could have your 12' separation'fr,ontto back
;:a...wpl1 ;:ac:;, c:;,idt?i:t:l, !!;id&. .' 'Sil1,:eth., 10i.J..s"",wideenouQhf'to set
two houses 01"1, he scrapped the old plans'anddesigneda,'pn&
storyhouse,trying to keep as close to the ground as possible
~i thal~' ridge and del iber~tel y placed, it as c:lOsetorithe
bluff a$i possible and allowed by zoning so that now the main
house, which witl bea larger house, will be able to see past
it~
Cont,inuesthe location of the larger house is really for
plltnningthe locat ion of 'the septic system .' Not~s ,. however,
~h~tth~seco"d,house "is not; etch.~ inistone... He does not
have plans ,for that house at this ti'me. It in no . way
represents the location of the larger house; Just the
~ppro,)(Jmate rel43tive size. It could be moved closer to the
~luf.f; he doesn't want to have it restricted to the location
on the plan now.
Mr. Perry and Dr. Dunwtddie stress that i.t be recorded the
larger house is not part of this notice.
Mr. Lang continues the septic capacity is a 1500 gallon
tank and it is la.rge enougmtoaC:commodate the additional
house. The reason the second dw~lling was included on the
plans was because he wanted:to design one system once and for
~ all so they don't have to rip it out in five years' time and
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asks how' many bedrooms.i t is designed for.
_,."...~, "~ seven. Also says no decks ~re plannedJat
thisp~int ,and if one'~fs tO'De built irithefuturif..ttien-eitfte...--~---;--
hear. future owner will come back to the Commission.
,put,a dJfferent septic system in if and. when they are
"positio.., to put in a sec:onc:tary dwelling.
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Dunwiddie says he feels what Mr. Lang is proposing
liheraskshowthe cottage> is accessed.'
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.,.,.J'ilr"..;{:L.~ar1gsaysthe property 1 ine isbrushcutand:i.tishis
lnt.",t~on ' not to -makEL..tb.at.:.J:hELd.r:Ule.Naybu t._to.-:. ke..ep_,i ,t.aL a__'
;;Jvef.t~.i~pn bu'f'fer. The utilities will run along that.line
~utfJ~ ::tcpnstr.uc t ion.
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t1r ~::,Perry suggests that the brush
bankb.:ae'ft undisturbed and tht;i! walk
stairs.
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be used as 'acce!is 'to the'
,'Mr. Lang says that is the intent and further,the,stairway
will nG,t:go all the way to the beach.Saysthe\roadwayis
w~der a.t, that point by the stair 'location as vehicles turn
ar'ound,;ithere.
MOTION: To close the hearing and dra'ft an Order was
made and seconded.
UNANIMOUS
* 5. Gillespie - 40 Easton Street - SE48-641
(42.1.4-20)
Persent 'for the applicant was'John ShugrUe.
Mr. Wasierski reads the insp~ction report and presents
site pictures taken.
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Mr. Shugrultsay,s the pictures are of the wrong property.
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Mr. perrysug,geststhilti in 'order to correct the error. and
not holduP:~tI~'f,~~ehe d"rla'ftan order and schedule for field
inspection on~be 18th.
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"'MOl'lON: . -To continue.1'or'fcieldinspect'ion--and-c-
draft .",'Order '., wa,:tmadeandseconded.
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" ~ T.;,07 peopi.-~r:.pr-itsen;"t~.ng_:theRobeft,$.,c abu1;1;ers".. are.,." ",.,
.... ~..en.l.,~ '-n~"y'ifdef..~n~.~ t~eaddr,essJ~iY'E!n'Of-Crl'f,tQ.,.iitreet ".
rather than ~hat t..,ey ~bel'ieve to' be~'the correct address which
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off~c:e hasl~tr-l~.tIJ s~ed,;; as.,21,.,.'Cli,f.:.1;0....
. :' Mr ..' Was i In..aki....r.adst~.i "spec t ion '.reportwhich-says "there
is very IlttJe'"w~tl.,nclveqetation on'thelotalthough'thearea
near the~oad servin' as.nou~fallfor the storm drains on
bott' _~tde!':of '~hE! ~9ad. " Ther"ares'igns of occasional. '
f,lood log. ~E!ar " ,the rC)ad:. b~t the.waterperco la tes rapid 1 y enough
so n01; to 'support ~et];and'vegetation. '
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Thea6LStte;s~ys .thecros~overwhere the storm drai nis,
is likea.Vand it grades off; as you go towards the back of
the::l.ot. the: elevation Irises. ,Says this afternoon the storm
drain was full; agrees it is a run off buttnere is wet
vegetation in there.
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. Mr. Perry says he doesn't think it is a wetland because
the waterdoesn' t stay. Adds the wet land grasses are from .the
road,runof1'.
The abutter disagrees.
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Mr. Perry says to be a ,wetland;' standing water must be at
; or near :thesu"face fort mos~.of'fthe{'";growing season., He
aoesn' tthink:the~ water:).~a;ys.~ :ti1i!~e:,lO'rig ,enougt\;;to;' qual i 'fy. '
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Abutter states ther:earemosses 1n there that won't grow
other than in:;e>wetla.,d;'areai "But if it is wet because that's
where the water-runs --orewet'ilanc:l ;'"i'7s.b:.1ifi s-not-tbe ~e)(pert .---Says
also sh., bel~eves' they~ouid ,have::ttigrade the area up in
order tOhook>up wi th'thef~pubilleJ::uti 1 i ti,es.
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Mr .Wasierski, says :he doesnt,t feel it is a'-,wetlands and
says wec9uldn'it stop 1:hemfrom'filling if it .isn't wetlands.
B.li~vet5 It:',,~~~<<7atchb~~irj(.di~~;t:.run off into,it there would
be nothtng!~_t:,~there an if' '::;:,L,','>
. ':Hr. :':p;~~ki:~i~~i"'i~'.:.l^ 'C~' ,F. t;:~~~:.rZ:-#~tch.,'baSi.~::but. a pipe
r,unning":Qfl~:~;~f'~o:,:'~he, m':~~.9, ',:and ~rt.,~~ts both sides of 'the road
p Ius ev~r'tttl."i~bcOmingt;:~ ' ,. m,tSar,lI<f!,ty, ijoad_ .;" ;'1",; " ", '"
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ttu!i!:t'~~ asks, if:)", e,are~.is~n a flood zone.
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Mr~~,PerrYT:,iesponds.;ij:-ls ;iO, 'the 500 year zone. . Suggests
Dr. Dunwiddie<t;isit; th~,:J:iro'p'erty':,to ,verify if it is, a wetland.
Adds that.;a.~'~i>:needs'~;~cr;,be ',voted:on,wi'thin three weeks of
,I 1 ta Tec~ip~ ~ i1,E~uggests;Jj,;:,~q~e' may,beA,taken contingent on ,Dr.
Dunwidd:l:e'!l $;H,~ificatrcin1.!;;f,,~';';;;, :i};j.;:...;<'~J.:: ~;:< '
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com~l~~~~~;~diSCl:lS~~,S,':~';ld ,a~r~es they have a probl.em with
such a 10~7':l;r'~r,:'I,t~':)." ;~':tH'r1,~! if;:
Mr.Wa$l.bsklasks", i'(wecan' table it for' an incorrect
address. .~; fm;~:~; '";:~ ~h~;: :' ~ i:"
Mr."Perrv:>iaysnotr,r::eally;.as they:have the correct map and
parcel and 'i ~bt:it t:e~s I i ~t,:,;; ,~. ',.',.
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Mr. Wasier$ki notes the request was received February 22
and. the dateib1 our next meeting 1s March 21.
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conserv~~fll5ri "",'e6ihffirgiion
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Mr. Kell iher moves wec:ontinue for further informati.on.
MOTION: To,;contlnuei'j",for adcU tipna.1 information, was
made and,seconded.
UNf\NIMOUS
2. CERTIFfCATEOF COMPLIANCE
a. Mitchell"" 31 Mattoon Street '-:- SE48-539 .... (26-2)
Mr. Perry states we have received an as-built.
TO.i.5sue the Certificate was made and
b.
Kaye '- Top Gale Lane - SE4~~305 - (27-7),
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;0',;: ,MOTION:' ,To contiriue7for -additi,G)J'I.ar~discUisuin and---
'cqmp I ianc:e w.as.made.t!u'lds.conded..
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c~ Kaye - Top Gale Lane - SE48-567
(27....7)
MOTION: To continue for, .dditional ,.discu~sionand
compli'ance was made,and'seconded.
UNANIMOUS
Chester Street- SE'tS....425 ~, (41-227)
Tocont;inue until,fall,.tocte,termine .success of
area wasmadl!l, .-and seconded.
UNANIMOUS
e. Griswold -14Sachem Road,- S648-571 - (30-240)
Present for the applicant is Aileen Barth.
Mr. Perry says the order required an as built but as the
Building Department did not require one for the CO, the
applicant requests we waive the requirement. Notes it has
~ , ,been bui I t as proposed wiith the ':deck being 2" smaller.
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.HOTION: To issue a Certificate of Compliance was made and
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I)f'~Dc..tnwiddie opposed, all others in favor
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.".,,"';,~...f!1>e.,;~! are Coleman BurkeJ .pro!ipect i ve buyer, 3eff
{;er;...~~g~r'Jli%rfh.i tect ,Mattnew Keenan and Esther Carr, property
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~L.Ii,':,l~~~~tf'~s~aysshewould ,Ii keto h~ve_thef i 1 eunaout/changed
tor.,1ectothe property "OWners or~he<potentla~ouyer..
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:,"iaii>;tt;-f!re,at~or. 'Says we Fan change the fi Ie to Keenan/Carr
.,orcStjrke i,r:theywouldprefer.
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Hr..W.Slerskireadsthe,lnspectionreport dat,ed, Hitr"ch 4,-
lCffll. , ,It is. thecon'sensus: ,of.Lthei'nspect'io'n tea", .:tha~ both
'the minor modification and, the extension should be denied.
...;,<;i~r . perry . says there are t.wo issues ,bei ng. reQ4ested: a
",il"lOY'iMOdifi'cation and an extension of ,the existijng order. If
Y09 \.cfEi!ny t.h~ . modl fic,at ion you can st ill grant the extension to
6ui let 'a3"'!bedroom' house ,within ",the bui-lding envel'ope. ,Unless
..'. \you;'fteelth. guidelines" of' theeMIsting orde,r do not
il,deqtJ,atelyprotect .the interests under the act and therefore
you 'want, tOt see a new notice with: greater detai 1.. Concerns
incl~de:'the'septicsystem, was approved under. the old
guidellne.calUng -fora.4~ separation and. it 'doe.sn't CIleet
c:urrentstandards;'greater detail of elevations is needed;
there is' a 'possibi Ii ty.,the bank has _ eroded and we need to see
if the fo~tprint still has a50' setback. ',SUggests however we
listen to, the presentation to see if any of these concerns can
be resolved.
Mr. Keenan reviews -the ~amily history of'the'property
@ recycIed".:,e la t i ve to damage over the years. Says they have owned it
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since the 1950's and his 'father'died in 1977. He is'intimately
acquai nte;!,d '",~lth ,the, pr9P~F~YI1~yi ng,helpect,~a;tl::h .,o,ver it oyer
the yea...? "~peak,ing ge",~"...l'l~,~b.olJt thet:)f"'eJpeJ)'t;y in r.~lat.i,on
to 'tl~ Ifnv.irpnmental d.1l~~9~",~~lfl!i;, tb~9'Q$." i ~v.r.., damage. has
bee1'l~() ~he small qluff:~r.9-if;lJc:ting,the lanc;lt,hCit.r ise;s up from
the ~f!..CI1 .Pesp~ tetheir,,~est effor:~s;,to'k,e,teppep.(;)lefrom
break! ng,it do...n. The....qF.t.da"'ageh'a.,I;)i!en",c;t'~,,-:w'lere :the
CrosQy:)dack;;,h,olJs.e i?Yege~Cl.t.ionl1as" i\Jso ,d'i$~P1!area due to
people c;tf"iv~ngontot,I1' ~eaFh~! whel"lthe\l~r;,n' t, t;"e'-eto stop
it; there, haS, also '. beene,J;'9~ion to,.t~e b~ufffrofR'rain~
Another area is the road itself; four wheel drive vehi,t:les
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have, cut the cJepth of the ,roacJ durlng the sprlng and 1'.11 when
the roactwas mud; feels ;th~$migh~,~!,;!9HJJ~0t!far~$.,f~~1i.r'iJ it in
and doing a> new r-oat;l,.,,"<,:,S~Y!5;~l1e ,:l~~~~t '._t"Cl.'!,;CJ!~r,.:~,heyears
was done. when his.. fatHer:j'~~!5"th'7r~Ttt",~~pth,S,Of'.'hIfY1i!af at
least; ,the worst ,ocfur...~,j~tlen ~~;~~~~;;"",."y;.~nd::-f"in 're1:~h~;y~ars
when' nei,ther.henor his~i.~ter.l?f,~~(.b~f!!p,ttler~>for, a~1Y length
oftiPle. , "Con~!"a'7Y i;o .""11~;1::J~ira,~~~~"~~~~;'i\c:qfr:~~}'r~$ ( ,'.
experi.ence-"1'tas-=-demoY'1S'tfa.ted-t'tfe~-e.~,,-p'r'~tect 1011fO-r ,'~.l$ to
have someone with 'a home"the'7e~who,takes an interest')n' the
pr~perty and ispr~~nt.and~~tcheso~.t" the land.
Mrs. Carr says~heo~,.,~a $ma~lho"'~l;.n the- same ...rea,.She
has not been able, to. affcord ,to,. ,tte.t1~n~:tt1,.t,CIluchiec;:entlY and
she re'11;si:t.some of thet.ime. Shehfl.i,beencQmingto the
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islan~ 60 years., He.... cqildrenandh~.... 9"':fl....dchildren.nowcome
here ancl stay in herhq4~e_. ,Says .:th~Y:tlP~. been r.eallyqui te
h~rt, because neighbCJrsl1...ve ~~nct.d toge1t;.h~r aga~nstthem and
hi.red several law f'irm,~and theob~e!=f:tion' i.s mostly Qver' the
view.. Says her ownvie~usedto be YI!.ry, pice and now.. she
looks over a very large 1)0use~(Jt~$het:t.s.!neverdone"'.aJlything
to them. Her' father "'howasa.prOfe~Sf~'used"'o lect'l1re here
01"1 Nant~cket and he, lov.ed,theisla.,d,!. 'Jj~"e "lsvery tiad~ened by
the who le ,th i ng . NQw theY have ,a po te,qt!ia 1 buyer.
Mr. Burke;! says hecaf!l& up in Dec;;;~m~er and ,talked to Mr.
Perry,4bout thep_O$$ib\lity Qf .an .,X~e~sio.nas,th~yc~ftainlY
c:ould,.n'.:t bul1,d ,a ho~sebef'ore the enc:lof March. " Altiohe has
consulted .wi,th Mr .L.aFra~c::e ,~he con,trac:~or ~nd Mr. Krieger the
architec:t.regard ing bui l~lngon the<pr~~!erty. SaYs he ""auld
have 'eo",e i:o us. earJier41bout an e)(t.Jl.,~,cm but c::oulf:lnlt', .
without plansandbec::auseofthewaythe prior .applic,ation was
made which was for 2 five bedroom house5-; one was turiled down
one was approved for three. Mr. Krleger will show you what
@ recvc/edps;:,ypeof house we propose to build. S_ays he wi 11 volupteer
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w"~';~Ct"et he c:a~ about "their <own.interests'in terms of
~~t'l~~d?'..,. ' r~eY'ha"'e a.ntJmbet:~.,..propertiesbn,..:thewater . and
" he ,'~ii"no t going' '. 'iJl.~o ,." this wttl1n~s.'eye'!5 .'Sf\ut.;i'( fie'l'"Eta 1'1 zes'.
'there..~1;"E! 'a,'.l1'(1mbtltr~'of di ffiC:ult1i!ts....i~hr.tspe<<=t;to.a.ll' the
b..tdc r~gul.~'~lons and he bel ieves the' plan they havtlt'put
tQ$etft.er ',a t~~...~ t,sto comp I y with them .Says'lithatJhad ".nyone
bopghtthe~ropetty with thevif!wtowardspU1:1:il'1~!\ltP';"'Gne"'house
they ,prqbab,l y.woul dn · t have sited it i.nelthe...'.? .,'f'.thetwo
pl~~e~ ):heywere; nor would it have been, as: clost:!-\tothe Karp
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Mr. Krieger distributes an tilgenda of. the':obJ!ctJ.ons
a9.inst;~t"ei oy-iginal order.Alsoprovidesp,l,~n~3"qf,>the
P.;f,PP:'.P~~.' mo~Jf~cation'and, ph~to9!7.aPh~ of.y~~,~i'e~~'f,:~J'r~~ of the
~~RP"r'~~: a n~ fro,..,' .th~p rOJ3E!Pf~ y..:'JB~l~ ~~~s;',~.,?~,;j ~3~~"'~;:i1~~a ,
1I\.~pr<i ~!Sue.ccmslder 1 ngour"scerlCV 1 ew'manda-tt!,.,;;SaY!ifthey
h.V~'.1=:t~mp~e~ to reconcile th~;e){isting,ordet';'with:;the new
~~~!l.~r. .Li ',ii ." .. (,~,\:~.~.;;:/,):J;"i,!.t;;;,~ i'i'L)~:
Con~ inue$ that everyone will agree ,it .is 'a, ..,onde,rful piece
of ,p.,r,()perJ;:y~",:LttLy.iews'bp~p_tpw~rJ~,t,own--:arut~.ack to, the marsh.
Hif,t;.S~i$' ;~o 'reconcile;th~'eXi'!J~it"\g Order wi t~'t-he' . .
re~~ir."'ent$,~fthe'new'J:)u.rt:haser'in a.waythatsatlsfies
tlqth.'Theor:iginal proposal was' ~o bui,ldtwo'hotJs..s~ ;.,The
or~ertha t' ~as issued tiat:l,sever.alres tr ic ti pn!ii':(':"Ol"1ei'\ouse was
d, isall, owe, d ',on.', eparce 1, , was,",a l"lo...d" .,...."as a thr:, ,.e, eb,ed, ",I", oO,"m:;',h" ou,s" e
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with ,.a .he i gh t I, res tr i c t ion of ' 25" '.' 'above ex i st ing'grade. ' ,Also
had'numerou.$ special. conditions, for .protectiohof.the
wetlands. Notes 'the oriQinal parcel was, l.cx:a~ednot only to
CdW'f'ormto'..anumber of setbacks'bu~also to.beas'far,laway as
possible 'from the secOnd housewhi:ch"was,d.isal1owed. ,Given '
thesetback:requirements,they have come up With'CisCheme they
thinkc:onforms wi ththeH spirit of ',the, intent i.on , if, not '
exo1lctly, the letter . Notes that the zoning changed!n November
To..,"Meetirygf'or'side yard setbacks and they have: been to, the
Zoning J3oard'to see if. 'they apply. In case, ttle new .setbacks
do, not apply, "th~y ar.esetting.'thepr'oposect'boathouse .201 ,away
from the property line.. Also notes that the ap.provedenvelope
remainE!d 'asrequested'even though only one house-was approved.
Suggests that the envelope might have been set differently had
only one ho.use been planned . Keeping this in mind , they would
like to build a three bedroom, . t.wo story house wi th porch off
the original approved envelope but set back 50' from the edge
of the bank. 'The boathouse would add'privacy between houses.
~, Both are approximately 80' from the wetland. The septic is
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approximately theaame as the approved, beyond.l00' of the
we'tlandlKtge. ..Because o'f "the'#If'iews they hav. d1;tne a serie... of
e-leVatiorlsJ'pf'1 . p-1&n &howi~g' the proposed 1100.. as compar,,!d, ,;to
'the~riglnal'bOild1ng.Three,...qu.arte1'"~o.ifthe' roofl ine<is ,
oelbw.the elevations of the-app:roved.hoUstHiilSqlall section.is
.I '1/2' ."above.
Mr. Perry asks if the grade has been raised.
Mr. Krieger says no, it is atexistinggrtiideand,is t~,,~n
from the Epple contour map. ,.The grading of the house itself
hils yet to be det.ermi ned . ''They have WOI'"kti!ct "to keeptfJe hOU5e
'lb...' inelevatlQ:n'andil'l'ap~E!arance. Ba'Pl<cally it; ish ope ~tqry
'I.tig~onthe' se.",':,,'ide'Clttd a':small sect iq'(1i.1 1/2stor:ie$ion the
east~, They are VE!l'"yt:ol'1d~rned about the imp~ctof t~.e. house
on this locatiGnam t:eelin,relation to"the [context of'. the,
existing houses in the area it is qui.te a'bitlo~e.r.' '",.
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-~.~~ -"t-tesummarlzes~t the')' .wOuld lI!ke~t=t5iaer~~' in I.I.~iJ
request for. m'odi fica1it'onare:
1> Increas'; in height 1 1/2-'- for-'par~o-f the rciof-H~5%).'
2) Main envelope moved to the northeast..,
3) Addition.of a secondary structure boathouse.
4.) Less than 100' between house and wetland.
5) Road to be reloca_llKI; notes that event". appro.ve,du
plan woul.dtrequi,...:'some relocation o~ the road as the
house goes through'theroad at one ,point.
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Says the .other speciiil,l+conditions having,.to, do w.i.th
temporary construction would be adhered to. Adds that they
are'working with speed tOiicome up.w1.tha,..cheme>and t}ley don't
have, all, the detal Iscompl;.tely workedj)ut. If, any changes,
come about during the des,ign process<they, wi 11 advise us.
Dr. Dunwiddiesays he ~hinks we'cI want the special
conditions shown on ,the plans such asthe'location of hay
bales, limits of work,etc~
M'r.Krieger says he wotJld:~happytoprovide. Says they
~", ,have e,ndeavored to conformto'~".r<.egulations,.as close as
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:;'lb.l~'to re.U.ze a single, familyhous.eonthis;;si.~~!-l";H:;~~Y;S
c'i:\'.,:~.!It.:J:R3i"tefit i~nto bui 1 d add itl~a~,:&1a-;'\.tct'4ilr1~j~~ni;'I~~;
;.fQ~ure:-l'Jjc:mc: tudes ;1 f'youdeem the' modlfu:;ati,on.tlar.,,..,;~
:.,'"..;,m,'""l".,n." 0", ,',' ,,', ", .,'f"'~,:".,',,,.,,(a,',JI1, $,'",,&.1.. ,to' file.anew:.not"ice,the, yar.~,.s.,~i~,.~"i!"J!.,..:~,',.,) ,J19
far an Et)(~Et~slon to the existing order in order to..n.'ctgure
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..Dt''';ITP4,nwiddie a~ks... why th~y want an extension if;;:t~i.s.
l(i):.t,'fildn.f:s not 'allowed .:~.ii;:;L'~.
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r'rifYHri~iK~,~~ge1'" 'responds' given. ,the historyof"the"',P'1
i,.,."..,:,d,.",'~""., ',:,,',',.,',~,.,"~, i,ri,<!l'", d, !:tpotential p"urChaser have no ;9U, .r,atl,."",t,e
~l,~..~la~l1fi)Wed' 01"1 th is proper ty if t,he e)(.tensi;Q.n:~j
;;,~'~~;~i';\~Jf~~:i#die asks if the new plans 'show'sep~'~~jt~~,~~i:'.
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~ays th'ey' just show the area;th~Y:i;ao;m~:
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'" t'Jr:. ;:I(~!~ .Oersa'1(s it is his' under. tand irrg thehe "r ~$'..I".
'cllrren-t:.p.rmi t on fi le which is based on the- previou.';~O,tice.
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'.PEf1"rysays that is for 4' separation.
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it is based on a five bedroom
Dr..:,Dt.lnwiddie says the, regulations have changed.si~c. t.he
prev'ious ,~",dter; ,them.i 11. difference i sthe sep~ria t i~*,"f~a.
'9roundwa~.r. Say~ slnce.,.thesystem.hasn' t. be..,;'bu~,) t,yet the
Commissi:ong,enerall y U.,tces;to improve it... T"<ink:s, i .:1' SihcuJld be .
modified ..0 it would. comp.J;y'tonewregulations,the.ain
differetH:;.' be:h'1g' the separation from ground watar. '\i'
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Hr. Ktrleger, says, i f.the 0,' r.equjrementwere'm.i~~aif:l8d it
would'req~l~e' some mounding ~ "Also,; it. wouldaffi-=.t,~~~,.t:i,rst
floor ele't.t'iort:of the house.. . If they,raise' th.~!$eP.[:j,,,, .v,~~em
theyalso}t,avetoraise thefi rstfioor elevationo"l;~h.ijouse
andthat'1*ouldl}; Involve using fill. 'This is one iof tb.:Jssues
they ar'e ~til:l working on. . The purpose of, comi'ig tc;J~;YC)\J
tonight is. to find out what your primary objectiions~re.
Attorney Reade says he a,ttendedall ,the previous hearings
representSfil9 ,the abutter s, Messrs. Karp, Tuc ker ,i Leferyre" and
~,' members of the Shimmo Association, all of whom have been
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opposed to this proJect. He has not had a chance to talk with
id:t',. of the abutters inpreparing1'Orthl.'n.aring~ashe only
jus.the...rdL~hatadditio,naldis~u~s;'on wason the. :agenda.:.. He
haraspalt4im'tothf!l(arj:>>s'and,f'lCls c:allsintothe athers. M.r.
Kear-nstJase)(presstfo\coneern-Onbehal 'faf the' Harbor South .
A,~~el~t"ion;' '. .,,~et'.elsftWou~d begro&s:lyunfai rfor.thi s
Pt~jecttb. b.c:o'psldered wi th iregardtdthelllodlfica;tl'on :tllat
i s::.~~.~,ng,propo~d..t'.r"f:! ,t,on igh t. 'S1 venthe hi,story'hebel.ieves
e~:~~e'1~alfairTlf!sswould'bea full heani'ng .prior to any.
'm9:(:fJ.fiFation.SubCllit!i;th~pro'pos.nl is' fat' from being a moinor
mO~"!fic~tiona! the'hoU!i..has been moved substantially out of,
t~E!' appr()vedfootpr~ 1'1't, 1 ts height has ',i'nc~...sed, a 'boathouse
ha"been<added. Olearlyanew NeIls c:alledfor. In
ad'cbticm, they urg~th,~Commiss'iondeny}theext~nsiQn. "Notes
,t~,.pre"ious orde,-'wai'l"is1iuedpr ior to:'f'!evi-.d wetland',
r~9~lations. B..l.i'f17ves, that rather than, simply extending at
t~~~:s point somec;'arefulilnalysis should'~'b.apptied to/how the
net~_re9JJ,lation~wou.ldaffec;t~thenew reqt.i,_t. ,This would give
.,~~;i... .theOppqrturiit.y~ to l(::ommentasto-:wn.~:cnangesshOiirc:f be--
"m~(Jetoaccommod~t'*the"ew regs.,. 'Adds,tih.1it 'atpreviOu$t,
-h'e....-ings they. wer-e:.r-~rl"'_~~nted by Robert Qay19r and_ tI}Cl.~" he
h~sf,not'hada.ch'a"9ISttogoover the ch.....'.with them. Urges
m9t!.tt.strenuouslY,onbehalf o'f the'Karps'and' the Kearns and, ,he
'eetC~S, a whole lot of. other people lnthe neighborhood, the
iinsion and' ,minor modifie:ation,pendi':ng'filingof a new NOI,
e"ied.
Mr. Perry says ,two ..parate issues should be voted upon:
the. minor modification and thefextension.
("i"Dr'. DUnwld~ie says based on the scale.lone it is not a
iniftor modification.
MOTION: TO~enythe request for a minor modification
was made and seconded.
UNANIMOUS
Mr. Perry commen:!t:s on the request for e:.xtension. Suggests
there are two ways we could go about It. One way would be to '
'. de!"y the e'xtension.a.rd requiring anew' order. The other. is
mOre comp11cated ahdwould betc{amend :t"e'e~istin9 order.
That would entail almost thesam.i;hi:ngas fi 1 ing a new
notice; the abutters would be,,~l'f'ied?'rand the ad put'in .the,
@recvded".;aper; the order of conditions WO'tJ'1dbe amended to incorporate
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dii:'ff.ere6t septic: de$,ign, cUfferent house loca'tio,C-f.;
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1'~'s...."!'f1t!"Y(fuCDulddQ tba't.is be!,=a~se,the' way .t,,,,,.
)0, :r.a~iW.s""arrived at:,was,tW9.f'ive_ec:trGQID hOtl~~~; .,',
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0'7",1 .,lil~yproposed. ,We.'~110wedone,thre~ bs~~:p~ ',I
ari} ,.1ppe:l:providedby~'theapp lic::ant.Tti-inks, in" ~
(:CJtll~. eve 'the' extension ,and amend ,the ,order,~f',j;
:1;~1:~~.Wd,i.: . 1-'1 ha.ve public hear;ings. ItwQuJd ha~~':'~
,r~,~:f~~~t' 'filinga'newnQtir;e. .If wedon.t.e~:t~~~a
~.,~r:liifr-~:~.";;l:;xPire and ih~e~i ll.benoth ingkno~\'1i;~;;
:j1l,to ,lon;the ,lot. , SCt1fyouallow.a.n ex~eW!.,~~~rl~
di~gthat,ther.' wi:l~' be apubl ic hear,i'i9:if
or'~er:l,then YOQ,!c~,~"ld. l1ave the hear i ng,'ji;~~j'
~~a~utter5'and,;.putad'otice in the ,,~q
t\la 1:10'" the proPQsedchang.es.
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s~!i__there __a~~ -.:. al:!ou t
, . r .' t, Nr .. d(r i.ger :says henasd=- copy of the ,cun:7e"t Ie
", and'~e isn,o,t clear as t~J10w the origillal regu~.\atl~
f:rolO,the,:cur-rent. regulatlons.S~ys they h.ave''fql hil,
'&.t~.c:~!;j."c;lheight res~t;ict,ions..'.. A!iks what other .""
cha.nges might impact their request. "'1);;,';: ,~\
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tlr,. j Perry says ~he reg~lations relating.. tOcfil l;',;.tid<i.~;.ep1;ic
design and separat ion: .', ,',. ',; i.~!~' ~;:;~i
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Mr. Krieger suggests the
the information be provided .
,sttpticpermit.
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Mr.Perr,y says there isa question wh.thertha~!:'~'CI~~'tel:Y:
protec:~s,the inte,res,ts of the by...law with respec;:t,:tc:t~~ili:qilan}:l!":.
water po'~lu:tion.'j "!:it:;.:' ':~'i:
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Mr . Burke says as a; matter. o,f'f liLi,...ness they are.;, ,.:t'~1i~.~ ng
to hurt th~,wetI8nd C\nd;<are tryi-ng.to' comply with }ff"" ul~r
and regulations. Adds "~e also hav.e a,; landowner Wb.t, ,a,
piece 0"": . l..,d and h,as certain rights ,~out the .pi,",,: .~t)~~",
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to purchase the land. And we would like to exercise those
rights, .not<to'bend$he li.:l~,~u~ tp,[g~,ve th~m at,ittl~ more
ti-lfte.,It'is a very eliffj.t;:1;ll~ real eS,tate period,: 'especially on
the eastern seabo.ar-d. ' AJ,so th. timi~g of' i.~ :is a little' bit
dif11.t;:u,lit sothey:are askiog fCj)f;" ,,an extension in order. to
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we,l!:anQomply eJ,ther. under>~pnewor the olc;Lenveldpe. : Adds
tha~,nehas lea'('nedtoday,~re may b~ q.~,her 'r~~spns ,~hythere
is so much opposition and that .it, maybe 'oot;"j~.t"..,th~'~.tlands
iSiSUfi! it may be other issues. He is not able to speak to that
rightij"nowbutit is obviQ41!lth~re is great push on the part of
ad,jiaeen:i;landowners tQmalff;!,i t 'very difficul"; ,for.'the !5,eller
to; sell ,and the buvertoqf,.\Y.. We need a., 1 ittleJn9ret'1l1\e~to'
s,",ow, yc:u,J,t,hat;.we'r:,e nO,t.herfi,to do anythingo1;her"thanc;onipl Y
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and"J9stbuild theirseptir.; sY$tem,.t:t!il~ed,Q-n-l:hi,j!"xl.ting -order
and;';,...rmits.. Asks.'if it wouldbepq.:sii;)le to i~~ea,':' ", .
exteMion with a limitation that the septic system be built in
c::omplitance,with the new'1'"egula~ion$ .
Mr. Perry says he is not ,$ure if you. can putcoriditions on
the<ltxtension; says that would be paramot,lnt to, amending the
order;.
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Dr. Dunwiddie says how about i,f..ttle#jlppl ic:ant r6tquested
that as an amendment to the existing order and we amended the
order.
Mr. Perry ,saY!5 wEt,can't a~end .th~ order withQ,utapub lic
Hear.ing. So .he was$uggesting we extend it and then have a
public hear i ng.to amend the order.
Mr. Kell iher asks if it hasn I t been our pol icy to gran.t
the first,one-yearextension.
Mr. Perrysays,i t has in most "ca!i&r$ though it_is not
etched in stone. There was. one; case where the wetland
boundary had changed which was .,ot granted.
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,Mr.. ~~rke says although, they feel somewhat time
~c:on5~ra,i~d" their position is to comply wi,ththe regulations
':"~ridc~O; pr'~tec,t the envirotlment. A lid he has beef" put on notice
'. 'this,..r'fi;.....noon that perhapsputting'up additional difficulti,es
>to.u~at~his time has other-motives than Just the
environment.
Dr. Dunwiddie says he thinks thec;ommiss-ion.should avoid
being<ll~,aas a forum for non-wetland contentions. Continues,
that Js~~y he is asking Mr.Reade~i'1ithere are specific
points that could have changed tha't may change the
commissio'n's perception of ,the wetlantJ.ssituation there. He
isnoti.,.pre'ssed that what ttiey are proposing has any more
~"., ',', ',."",im, pacts on the wetlands than before; adds frankly he is
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impressed with what the applicanttlas done. Feels it is a lot
bettet" 'apprDachthan what hetu~s s~en by a lot G,f' .other
applic:ants,;" '" . ". ,.
Mr. Burke..aystheirone,ppint is 1;hat if anyone had
planned topu~ .inoJ':lly o.,etlO\!~Ci!tt:'ey;w~uldn't have.p~t it ten
feet away from the boundary' line. ne)(t'~to the Karp house .
Mr. Perry sa,ys<the'optp:ms now are to< 1) request ,an
extension, whit;h you tla"7 ~pne, to put a house inside the
buildi,ngenvelope. Whether. i.t is right, next door to thCi! Karp
or not is really irreleyal1t; (2),WQuld.be to come, ~n:'~ith a
new notice andas~ forwho!it is here. I'm not so sure we can
issue,.the e)(tET~~.ion and~ave youcQfAe ,bact< wi tha new not ice
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notices andwh.,t yc;u..,. have<~one,af'te;~)'ou have issued the new
c:.outJl;'" hlU~ .th..,.Qld,baYe,:b.fQm.~~,l1~,~;.~i~nd va id~-' 7 - '-,
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MOTION: To/grant aone-year:e)(tension was made and
seconded.
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Present for the applicant isA,ileefll Barth.
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Hr. Wasierski reads theinspe,etion report. NQ_s,~~h.t. he
has lookedat.the elevations ~n ,theisiteplans. ,wh,iJ:h showeo 2
- 2 1/2 'feet between the back corner of the: house and the
front corner of the house. Sayshe'has aproble.. .wit" .'filling
around the house but can't find anything de'flni~e in ~he
order.
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Hs.. Ba\'"th says theY'hilVakriocked~ffbldc:t<~l~~:., !...,.ch;,side.
Would pref'fi!r" to not havfi!',6.';steps,' to get ' 1;othe"ia(z~GI'Qor:'." The
c:edertreeis at the previous'eleyation~Itd'ii,psliQff at the
corr'le!r !iothey hcive.tdbri,ngs(unething bilCk'ijJ1'.j"kf~t1ut, is open
to suggest ions. Perhaps"cill,,,,lHne steps wi th"so...'fi 11-
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Mr. Wi Ison asks what kind of retaining wal;k,th.y are
consldering?i
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ord,r to ,let peoplet)uild closer,' to the' ..,etlan~:i*lifl'll: what was
c()n~idere~a "on-~l,Ii Idable 10,t we restr ict ;tt'a~~'i~lt:o e~.ctly ,
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covter,th.,front of the f(]undatrion; then 1:tiey,'a~*U:d have a
waH(wayttne railroad tiet'aigh,o,.. thewet'la11f:t>:~~~"o ttUI~ cO,uld
pro~'ide at;:cess to., the baclc.:steps; .:then thewa'i~::~it.o!the ,si 1 t
fene;e cou:ldbe graded 'down 'to the,bottomcif,.tt1~i~iSillt fence.
; Mr. Wasierski s'ays then it wi 11 be at natci.~.i grade and a
step up onto the deck. "
Hr. Wilson says he would like to ,see a de~i~n.
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Hs . Barth says that Mr ..".Harrington had 'i1il'.i.:~il,~ll y decided
to cutback the deck in order to keep,theced~,~,ll!a..,e ,thought
there would be less chance of runoff. , Said t~~"';!thC3Ught if ,
they retained it, > there ,would be less ,cnance : ~~I:::fnY:1'J~l'1'off .
Hr. ,Perry is suggesting the exact opposite. ,~.~~ wb.nyou
come'int'hedrive\ifay" you walk down t-oget,to:.;'!11~1~ng tiet ,of
stairs which ' takes you back up and i.tseems'a~~,.,.rc:l. r'!' ,.
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Mr. Wi lson asks if the commission is in fa'"ol'" of some kind
of retaining wall. !':11
Mr. Perry asks if we want the retaining wclll,at the silt
fence or to slope away to the silt fence.
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Ms. Barth says if~e put therettilining wall back at the
building ,that ...i11 i'nflue~ce.pe()ple.tow.~kcloser,to'the
we~lilnds. . Herfeelin9. is thit'liven ,If}'they l'h,it now, f>>-out
iti~,put it out far enough so you canbuild,the walk>within
it and keep people away from the brush. Hr. Harring,ton doe.s
not want to do anym,aintenanceandhE! would 1 iklfEtverything to
grow bac.k. 'Continues that ~e'.<'~re' nat-<talking'abi.)llt'm~jor
fill; .is practically' the amount Df,top>soilthatJw~UI,.tJe
needed, maximum 16". Say,s ~h790t~helmpression;from
eve.ryone at the site thati t wasn' tab 19 deal.
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Dr. Dunwiddie says he sees no problem.
MOTION: To allow a ",inor mOdif11Fati'9J'l to bui'ld> a
smail, retilining<wall ~. ~ay,friclln'l:he"sil~fj!t;tce,.'t zero
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Mr. Perrys;ays they are, suppos,ij~t~submit,a.pe5t1cide
manag~ment plan each year and he reqUests more"'t'ifne to review
the information submitted.
MOTION: To continue for adttitional infd1rmation was
, made and seconded.
UNANIMOUS
d. Claflin - 35 Wauwinet Rd -il$~4e-584
(20-34)
update
Mr. Perry says he has, been tot'hesite and the dirt has
been removed from the wetland. It:::is'now down to the old
grade; however, hay, bales are sti 11 needed. It is a great
improvement over the previouscondi'tions. He adds that he
asked the contractor i fhe dug the :pond deeper >a.nd he said '
that he dug it a lot deeper.
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"". Perry says he has' re~e.ived a request from the new
'o...ner.They.;~o no(,want' to :do an addition. Are requesting
t".ybe t)llowed to put up a fepce to,.keep,th~. dog in,ancf the
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ducks out.
MOTtON: To ,approve t.,eminor modification for a
c:log/;~~ckfence i,n lieu of an addition;; was made, and
secoflded.
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f. Nantucket Co~mons - SE4a~365
discussion
Mr.,perry's;.ystre order }!?<.pi,red in.Januaryof this year.
An extension has not been req~~~ted. ,S~y~we ha,ve no, proof of
oil separators being i nsta lle(:l< 'l.Pd "ttleya~~o> need ..to, be
checked four, t imesa year. A~'(is'ttlatClea.n'Ha'rbcms';<submitted
a p,roposal to do the. work andJJJJs pr-oposalwas submi ttedto
the'Cc:Jm~i5ftsion'asan'agreement~operformthe' work, signed ,by
t'n-.,., Sillr \fi:.'" S'.. 'rhecantrac.t .uaspeverrcturnQd to ,Clean:-..Harroors
and the work was never done.. This'i$a dirc!!ct ,violation o'f the
erder.Theretention basin .to collect the storm .waterbefore
- -'-t-went-to the witfaru:f was nevef-bullt. ' The SIltatIon "fences
,are ,gone. There are two! ittlereplication areas, that haven't
been done. Also in .violation is' 'the trash left around and'
piPe.s,b~~~iistored. ,.SaY!5"he~~s;,..ritten a letter to Mr.
Sarvis al'ld copied anyone who mig.,t have an interest, including
his old and new lawyer.
Dr. Dun~iddiesaysyq~ mean :that the oil separators that
haven't been installed haven't been checked?
Mr. Perry says he does ~.~ot knowi f they are there or not
but,i'f ther,e,theyh.,vli!int1:bee?,hC)ok,ed up to ~nything. Asks
if the Commission wants tos~nda letter requesting' '
il'lformatiQn,beprovided ,;,andsta1;ing that an enforcement order
will be issued if we do "no:t receive a response.
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,of the situation but t~at itshould;'~'esent cautiously in an
effort to avoid 1 i tigatlon. Sugge's~he go over the order and
include each infraction, of the special conditions and try to'
catch everything. Incases in que5.t.iori ask for documented
proof that work has been done. Send, certified mail and give a
time frame for response andst,ate if a response is not
~, received by that date we will have to decide what course of
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action to take. Suggested date to respond by is April 4.
Also, a 'copy of the letter should be sent to the bank.
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Mr. Perry says the bank" that, held'theimoJ'\tgag,efolded and
the account has been turned over to the FDIC with whom he has
already discussed the oil separators and storm drains. Says
they asked where the oil was coming 'from ,and he-told him from
the 150 parked cars.' Says the rate of oille~kage is a half
quart a day,not .a half a quart a month as, previously thought.
The bank representative d idh I tthi ok that wa~Lasi'9nificant
amount going int(3,the wetlands. Says he be:lievesthere is a
la~k of ~ttenti.ri.
Dr. Dunwiddie asks. what is the current status of all the
lit-igations. .
Mr. Perry says they are. in, ,1 imbo. < Most 11 k~Jy,atS...per ior
_,~~~urt. and. filtering ,to the top .' $ays.he . could inquire to have
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TownCQunseI,presstb Mavetf1em thrown,pu.t:ll:ofcou~ecause -~.-
the order is' expired. Says one is.for the underground garage
-, ---wh.i.c.h, was deni.ed. - ,
Dr. Dunwiddie says he might make some.discrete inquiries
to seeiftheY'C::a.TI be quietly puShed aside. We may want to
let sleeping dogs lie but we could:see iifthey' can be disposed
of quiet'ly.
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discussion
Mr. Perry says this request asked for a path to the Head
,of Hummock Pond; fill"was not supposed to have been added.
Recommends the commissioners go to the site at the next field
inspection.
Mr. Wasierski says it needs to be wide enough to back a
truck and trailer down in there and the fill is what they dug
out when they cleaned out the ditch and moved it over.
Mr. Perry disagrees and says the idea was not so you could
back trailers down there but so you could carry a canoe or a
small boat in. If they were going to bring in fill you don't
get that approved on a determination.
Mr. Wasierski comments that it is still to narrow to get a
@ recydedp8p;ruckand trai leT" down to the pond.
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; MOTION: .' Td eval,uate the si te at the next field
i nsp,~~i~~l~~Fl rmad~/and ' seconded.
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Mr..;ry say.s'we hav'~rec:eived a copy of the State's
respo 0 .the ~P'E;IR,whic6,'~said i twas inadequate ancJ they
needed f'il_;a~uppleme1'1tal report. It'alsosuggests the
Townfi an ENF to start moving on bulk storage problems.
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