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Town of Nantucket
Conservation Commission
Town and County Building
Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554
Agenda for July 11t 1985
A. Public Hearings
1. Joseph Teelier - SE48-307 - Orange Street (continuation)
2. Margaret & David Cunningham - SE48-306 - Eel Point Rd. (continuation)
3. Wayne Mosher - SE48-308 - Cliff Rd.
4. Joseph and Maureen Morgan - Nobadeer Ave.
5. Richard Kotalac - Highland Street
6. Thomas Hood - Nobadeer Ave.
7. Woodbury Lane Realty Trust - Woodbury Lane
8. Nantucket By-Laws
B. Regular Meeting
1. Minutes of June 20t 1985
2. Audience to the public
3. Orders of Conditions
a. E. Garrett Bewkes - SE48-299
b. Paul Dujardin - SE48-301
c. David Cunningham - SE48-306
d. Joseph Teelier - SE48-307
4. Request for Determinations
a. George Fleming - Madaket Rd.
b. Alexander Craig - Hulbert Ave.
c. Butnell Corporation - Hatch's Package Store
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Agenda July 11t 1985 page 2
5. Correspondence
a. Public Hearing (Sweeney)
b. Weston Georphysical
c. Association of Conservation Commissions
6. Other Business
a. Cohen property - Hulbert Ave.
b. Thomas Shannon - Extention Permit
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Town of Nantucket
Conservation Commission
Town and County Building
Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554
July 11, 1985
The public hearings of the Nantucket Conservation Commission began
at 7:30 p.m. Members present were: M. Arnold, P. Waine, P. Dunwiddie,
D. Visco, L. Leske and L. Dunn. Members absent were: Jeff
1. Public Hearings:
a. Joseph Teelier - SE 48-307. DEQE issued a file number which
the commission was waiting for. L. Leske moved to close the
hearing. So voted.
b. Margaret & David Cunningh~m - SE48-306 - Bel Point Rd. John
Shugrue was present as the agent. With no further questions
about the stairway P. Waine moved to close the hearing. So voted.
c. Wayne Mosher - SE48-308- Cliff Rd. Glenn Wills was present as
the agent. Wills informed the commission that hay bales will
be added along the driveway,along with original plans in the
Notice of Intent, to protect the area. L. Leske moved to close
the hearing. So voted.
d. Hood and Morgan - SE48-309 - Nobadeer Ave. Bob Emack was
present as the agent. The commission feels that the joint
stairway will reduce erosion. The commission wants in the Orders
of Conditions a three foot horizontal seperation from the bank
to allow vegetation to grow. P. Waine moved to close the
hearing. So voted.'
e. Richard Kotalac - Highland Street. The lot is 6,800 sq. ft.
The septic system is 100 ft. from the well and the reeds. The
house is 40 ft. from the reeds. Kotalac presented plans of
which neighboring lots were buildable and which were not. His
system was designed to meet Title V. This is in a Buffer Zone
which is always dry. The commission wants to see the house moved
back 10 ft. from the back line. P. Waine moved to continue the
hearing until July 25t 1985 to receive a file number from DEQE.
SO voted.
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Conservation Commission
Town and County Building
Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554
f. Harvey B. Matthews - SE48-300 - Quidnet Road - Glenn Wills was
present as the agent. After viewing the lot again the agent has
revised his plans. The house has been reduced from four to two
bedrooms and moved away from a grey area of concearn. The well
has been moved to the cart path. The lot is in a zone B (100-
500 year fregquency of flooding). Mrs. Holland voiced her concearn
about perc tests being done in March during a year of drought.
Wills said they allowed a one foot margin when doing the perc
test. L. Leske moved to close the hearing. So voted.
g. Woodbury Lane Realty Trust - Robert Daylor presented pl~ns for
the drainage system for this 25 lot subdivision. Maps were
displayed showing the four wetlands that will be effected.
Diagrams of the soil layers and relations to ground water were
displayed along with proposed drainage systems including (1)
a holding dyke (2) underdrains (3) catch basins and (4) in-
jection system to divert subsurface water back down into the
water table.
Mr. Daylor addressed the problem of maintenance of the system
saying that a homeowners association was to be established with
each owner putting up a sum to be used for the maintenance of
the system. Daylor claims the injection system is a simple one
with a screen at the top and screen with filtering material at
the bottom with a six inch pipe in-between. Anyone experienced
with well digging on the island would be able to work on it.
There would be no need to call experts.
Daylor - all the work on drainage systems, roads, sidewalks for
the subdivision will be done befor any homes will be built.
Estimates the homes will be built within a five year period.
M. Arnold expressed his concearn of a continual impact that
digging and building will have to the wetlands of the area.
P. Dunwiddie asked if there were any back up plans if the
calculations proved to go wrong and the wetland either gets
wetter or dryer. Mr. Daylor said they had no such plans but if
the area were to get wetter they only thing that could be done
would to be to set the system lower. If it got dryer and less
wetland, the discharge of water could be changed.
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L. Leske - What impact will this have on Lily Pond?
Daylor - Li~y Pond should see all the flows it sees now. We
didn't reroute any water. The water may take a different
route into the pond but the same flows will end up there.
By re-routing we believe we are helping to protect surrounding
homes and streets from flooding. The peaks of water flow will be
buffered therefor there will be a longer steadier flow.
L. Leske - Won't there be a rise of Lily Pond on an average with-
out these peaks and lows? Daylor - The differences will not
be very great.
Mrs. Holland expressed her concearns of the amount of pollution
to the water quality with 25 new homes using fertilizers and such
being injected into the water. Will it be adequately filtered?
Daylor - The quality of water in this area will not be changed
as the runoff from the top will not be injected, only ground water
will be injected.
Mr. Worth expressed his concearn about when the tests and
observations were done. Were any done when the pond was full?
Tests were done in January and February. Regional water table
fluctuated less than a foot. Mr. Worth feels that when Mill Pond
is full, conditions are much worse. Basements fill etc. There
are springsin the area that have effect on Woodbury subdivision
wetness a.ld when Mill pond is drained the spring goes down and
area is less wet. He feels that these wetlands should not be
disturbed.
Don Kurtz a biologist form California expressed his feelings
that the folklore and observations of neighbors should be
listened to. He has seen water that goes up hill. Regardless of
drainage system of area there is going to be some lowering of
the water table. A few inches lowering in this sandy soil will
make old basements crackt pipes snap. There will be an uneven
subsurface water table. No literature has been provided of the
square footage of runoff. All calculations seem to be taken
from hydrolbgic water study not run off from drivewayst roads,
roofs etc. He believes that the runoffs are likely to be greater
than said. Dog urine and feces will not filter in the short
distance in sand. In sand many micro-organisms such as algea
will bloom and produce oder and pollute Lily Pond tremendously.
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M. Arnold - Anyone building in this subdivision must file
indivdu~ly showing foundation plans etc.
Mrs. Worth does not feel the town drainage system should be
overloaded with private subdivision subsurface drainage and
then dumped into Lily Pond which is a town park, wildlife
refuge. Daylor - We are not changing direction of ground water
in any way. So Lily Pond will not be changed by underdrains.
Mr. Blair expressed his concearn of the agents not taking the
concearns of Lily Pond abutters into consideration. He feels
that there are springs in the area that have an effect on the
wetness of this area.
James Worth concearned with area when subdivision is complete.
What is going to happen when heavy rains ? How will they
control the 3 to 4 inches of rain when the ground is frozen
and water is filling N. Liberty Street. Mr. Daylor - The system
is designed to control that flow of water.
Sandy Craig has a well that is now in use for the record.
John Roe - Questioned the data given on where the ground water
divide line actually is. One important well (5) is not giving
clear readin.~s. John feels that the line may be wrong and the
data given c0uld be keeping out a portion of the actual water
shed and more water could be going into the area than agent
suggests. Other areas may become dryer.
The hearing was continued until July 18, 1985.
Town of Nantucket
Conservation Commission
Town and County Building
Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554
The regular meeting of the Nantucket Conservation Commission was
called to order at 10:45 p.m.
1. Minutes of June 20, 1985:
The minutes were approved by unanimous vote.
2. Orders of Conditions:
a. E. Garrett Bewkes - SE48-299. P. Waine moved to issue a standard
Order of Conditions. So voted. L. Leske opposed.
b. Paul Dujardin - SE48-301 - L. Leske moved to issue Orders of
Conditions stating that in the event that this building is moved,
all foundation structures shall be removed and the area restored
and revegitated. So voted.
c. Joseph Teelier - SE48-307 - P. Waine moved to issue a Standard
Order of Conditions. So voted.
d. David Cunningham - SE48-257 - L. Dunn moved to issue Orders of
Conditions stating that the tier for the stairway shall be three
feet from the bank.
e. Harvey B. Matthews -SE 48-300 - L. Leske moved to issue Orders
of Conditions with a clause stating (1) the well shall be placed
on the area of the lot known as the cart path and (2) no sub-
sequent expansion of the septic system will be allowed.
3. Requests of Determinations:
a. George Fleming - Madaket Rd. The commission voted to issue
a negative determination and tos check number Qnet stating that
the area described in the request is not an area subject to
protection under the act.
b, Butnell Corporation - The commission voted to issue a negative
determination and to~ check number 3, stating that the work
described in the request is within the buffer zone but will not
alter an area subject to protection of the act. Therefore,
said work does not require the filing of a Notice of Intent.
D. Visco and P. Waine abstained from voting.
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4. Planning Board Referrals:
a. Alexander Craig - L. Leske moved to send two letters to the
Planning Board stating (1) the road is not subject to the act
and (2) any building on this lot is subject to the act.
5. Extention Permits:
a. Thomas Shannon - SE48-138. P. Waine moved to issue a three year
extention. So voted.-
The meeting adjourned at 11: 30 p.m. and was continued until July 18,
1985.
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