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Home My WebLink About2020-12-21 Approved Minutes December 21, 2020, adopted 1/25/21 r 2021 JAN 26 F.`" 2' 2 Historic District Commission Madaket Advisory Board Members: Linda Williams (Chair),Tom Erichsen,Brad Fleming,Robert Kucharavv,Bruce Mandel Alternate: Mark Palmer MINUTES Monday December 21, 2020 This meeting was held via remote participation(using ZOOM recording feature) Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 Order Regarding the Open Meeting Law. I. Procedural Business Call to order. This meeting was conducted via Zoom and called to order by Linda Williams at 10:00 am. This meeting was recorded on Zoom video. Attending members: Linda Williams,Robert Kucharavv,Brad Fleming,Tom Erichsen and Bruce Mandel Absent members: Mark Palmer Late arrivals: None Early Departures: None Motion to Adopt Agenda made by Robert Kucharavy; Seconded by Bruce Mandel Roll Call Vote: carried unanimously 4-0// Fleming,Mandel,Erichsen and Williams- aye Page 1 of 2 Approved Minutes December 21, 2020, adopted 1/25/21 Approval of Minutes: November 02, 2020 Motion to Approve Minutes made by Robert Kucharavy; Seconded by Brad Fleming Roll Call Vote: carried unanimously 4-0// Fleming,Kucharavy,Erichsen and Williams- aye//Mandel-abstained II. Public Comment None III. Election of Officers Motion to elect Linda Williams Chair made by Mandel; seconded Fleming Roll Call Vote: carried unanimously 5-0// Fleming,Kucharavh, Erichsen,Mandel and Williams- aye IV. New Business —See attached Comments Property owner name Street address Scope of work Map/Parcel ent 1. Paul Piccirillo 10-2053(OB) 6 Baltimore Street New dwelling 60/106 Val Oliver Design 2. Paul Piccirillo 10-2047 6 Baltimore Street Shed 60/106 Val Oliver Design 3. 22 Starbuck Rd LLC 12-2570 22 Starbuck Road Rev 10-1921 fenestration 60/118 Thornewill Design 4. Tom Levin 234 Madaket Road Rev1816; alterations 59.4/120 Val Oliver Design 5. Mainsail,LLC 3 Pops Lane Redcd decks, rmve railing 60.2.4/64.1 Normand Residential V. Other Business N/A VI. Adjournment Motion to Adjourn made by Mandel; Seconded by Kucharavv at 11:07 am. Roll Call Vote: carried unanimously 5-0/ Fleming,Mandel,Erichsen, Kucharavv and Williams- aye Submitted by Cathy Flynn Page 2 of 2 Madaket Advisory Board Meeting Memorandum HDC/MAB Date/Time 12/21/2020 To: Historic District Commission MULTIPLE CONCERNS RK/TE UNANIMOUS From. Madaket Advisory Board Members Present (X)Linda Williams-Chair (X))Brad Fleming (X)Tom Erichsen (X) Bruce Mandel (X)Robert Kucharavy Alternate: ( )Mark Palmer ABSENT Applicant PICARILLO—NEW DWELLING Address 6 BALTIMORE (X) CONCERNS (X)Not appropriate (As noted beim„) OVERALL CONCERNS: INAPPROPRIATE DESIGN, SHOULD BE REDESIGNED FOR FOLLOWING REASONS: - Too large, totally visible from all sides, is out of scale and context with the neighborhood, pictures shown have NO relationship to the neighborhood and one shows the largest house in area at 25 Starbuck Road, a great distance down the road from the locus and not visible from Madaket Road - Only canted on the lot because it is oversized, existing house is square to Madaket Road Sited on the setback lines - Flat pitch inappropriate for a dwelling, particularly of this size at 7/12, giving the appearance of being squashed down - South 2nd floor deck is massive/inappropriate, should not be combination shingled wall and open rail, deck not stepped back from edge, depth not called out on the plan. 73 ft long?? - 4 Lt French Doors 2/2 windows inappropriate, not proper architectural style for these windows and doors - What are the plate heights? Drop those and then the pitch can be corrected on the roof and keep under 25 feet - Should NOT be white trim, which would highlight the size and irregular architectural features - Garage door goes into living space, which is something the HDC does not generally approve. it is not an additive mass - Additive massing does not exist and cannot be hidden by multiple flush dormers - It is a full two-story structure, camouflaged as story and a half. A review of the application page shows the SF of both floors almost identical, and all dormers are flush, no lower eaves. essentially a big box - Vertical in appearance, this is a residential structure and has no relationship to commercial Millies - Front door—cannot have sidelights as well as glass in the front door. Has to be one or the other by HDC long-standing policy - Are the contours of the lot being changed? Cannot allow it to be raised. - Would be helpful to see a hardscape/landscape plan MEMBER OF PUBLIC —Alan Schanzer of 3 Starbuck Agreed with what the MAB members stated and pointed out that 25 Starbuck being used as an example of a large house has "nothing to do with this lot". MAB ASKS TO HAVE THE HOUSE AND SHED BACK FOR FURTHER REVIEW AFTER REVISIONS—UNAPPROVABLE AS PROPOSED Madaket Advisory Board Meeting Memorandum HDC/MAB Date/Time 12/21/2020 To: Historic District Commission NO CONCERNS BF/TE UNANIMOUS From: Madaket Advisory Board Members Present (X)Linda Williams-Chair (X))Brad Fleming (X)Tom Erichsen (X) Bruce Mandel (X)Robert Kucharavy Alternate: ( )Mark Palmer Applicant PICARILLO—SHED Address 6 BALTIMORE Historic information/known history ()Non-Contributing ()Contributing ()Individually significant Comments O Incomplete application ()Historical information needed (X)NO CONCERNS ()Recommend View O Does not meet guidelines ()Not appropriate (As noted below) GENERAL CONCERNS: - Atypical design, - 4 It windows too large for the wall plain, - Pitch too flat, open in the middle and will be visible, - THIS SHOULD TRACK THE HOUSE as some of the objectionable aspects of the house are carried over to this shed, - Too large particularly with the over-scaled house, - Should not be white trim (house and shed), - 4 French doors too much glazing, - Hipped roof inappropriate - Length at 32 feet is not typical of a"shed". Other Public Comment Signatures (three members required for quorum) Madaket Advisory Board Meeting Memorandum HDC/MAB Date/Time 12/21/2020 To: Historic District Commission NO CONCERN BF/TE UNANIMOUS From: Madaket Advisory Board Members Present (X)Linda Williams-Chair (X))Brad Fleming (X)Tom Erichsen (X) Bruce Mandel (X)Robert Kucharavy Alternate:( )Mark Palmer Applicant 22 STARBUCK ROAD LLC Address 22 STARBUCK ROAD Historic information/known history O Non-Contributing ()Contributing ()Individually significant Comments O Incomplete application ()Historical information needed (X) NO CONCERN ()Recommend View O Does not meet guidelines ()Not appropriate (As noted beim I) North Elevation East Elevation West Elevation South Elevation Other Public Comment Signatures(three members required for quorum) Madaket Advisory Board Meeting Memorandum HDC/MAB Date/Time 12/21/2020 To: Historic District Commission CONCERNS RK/BM UNANIMOUS From: Madaket Advisory Board BF RECUSED AS ABUTTER Members Present ( X)Linda Williams-Chair (RECUSED)Brad Fleming (X)Tom Erichsen (X) Bruce Mandel (X)Robert Kucharavy Alternate:( )Mark Palmer Applicant TOM LEVIN Address 234 MADAKET ROAD Historic information/known history O Non-Contributing ()Contributing ()Individually significant Comments ()Incomplete application ()Historical information needed (X) CONCERNS ()Recommend View O Does not meet guidelines ()Not appropriate (As noted belo,+) NO CONCERNS WITH TRIM CHANGING TO WHITE OR THE DECK CHANGES CONCERNS: - NO CLAPBOARD—Not appropriate in any form, application and drawings do not match detail - ROOF WALK—Drawings incorrect. Not being rebuilt in the same location. not the same details, hatch appears to be moving closer to the gable end with the relocated roof walk. None of this is called out on the application other than rebuilding. - No color is on the application page, should remain NTW but needs to be filled out on the application - Drawing incorrect as to rendering. Both the N/S elevations show the roof walk deck elevated off the ridge too far, the E/W are drawn correctly. This roof walk should not be elevated off the ridge in any form. Posts are not drawn correctly on ridge on short ends. needs to have interior support in that span - Should remain in its present location and NOT moved to the end of the ridge further unbalancing an already off center roof walk. - SKYLIGHT—No concern about one being installed on rear.NO to the new skylight on the front of the structure visible from a publicly travelled way, and on top of a mislocated roof walk. - DIMENSIONS—Not on the plan, needs to add - MAB ASKED TO HAVE THIS RETURNED FOR FURTHER REVIEW Madaket Advisory Board Meeting Memorandum HDC/MAB Date/Time 12/21/2020 To: Historic District Commission NO CONCERN BM/RK UNANIMOUS From: Madaket Advisory Board Members Present (X)Linda Williams-Chair (X))Brad Fleming (X)Tom Erichsen (X) Bruce Mandel (X)Robert Kucharavy Alternate: ( )Mark Palmer Applicant MAILSAIL LLC Address 3 POPS LANE Historic information/known history O Non-Contributing ()Contributing ()Individually significant Comments ()Incomplete application ()Historical information needed (X) NO CONCERN ()Recommend View O Does not meet guidelines ()Not appropriate (As noted below) North Elevation East Elevation West Elevation South Elevation Other Public Comment Signatures(three members required for quorum)