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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2020-11-5 ConCom Minutes for November 5,2019,adopted Nov. 12 NTucire: , CONSERVATION COMMISSION �! s 3��' 'r PUBLIC MEETING 1=�� �,! CLERK i� .''il 2 Bathing Beach Road ,�i 47)- k Nantucket Massachusetts 02554 q y\„.. aww.nantucket-ma. ov 200Oy13 ; g: 59 '�9/,!RA ,-= g Thursday,November 5,2019 4 Fairgrounds Road,Training Room—4:00 p.m. Commissioners: Ashley Erisman (Chair), Ian Golding (Vice Chair),David LaFleur,Joe Topham, Seth Engelbourg,Maureen Phillips,and Mark Beale Called to order at 5:30 p.m.by Ms.Erisman Staff in attendance: Libby Gibson, Town Manager; Jeff Carlson, Natural Resources Director, Joanne Dodd, Natural Resources Coordinator;Terry Norton,Town Minutes Taker Attending Members: Erisman,Golding,LaFleur,Topham,Engelbourg,Phillips,Beale Town Counsel: George Pucci,K&P Law P.C. I. PUBLIC MEETING A. Announcements B. Public Comment—None II. PUBLIC HEARING A. Pre-hearing discussion 1. *Sconset Beach Preservation Fund—59-119 Baxter Road(49&48-various)Area SE48-3115 Sitting Erisman,LaFleur,Golding,Topham Recused None Documentation Correspondence,Memorandum of Understanding,2019 SBPF annual report, Applicant Steven Cohen,Cohen&Cohen LP Representatives Dwight Dunk,Epsilon Associates Inc. Josh Posner,77 Baxter Road,Chairman'Sconset Beach Preservation Fund Glenn Wood,Rubin&Rudman,LLP Public Matt Fee,Select Board Bob Felch Sconset resident former head of`Sconset Trust Dennis Murphy,Hill Law,for Mr.Greenhill Meghan Perry Rick Atherton,Former Select Board member D.Anne Atherton,48 Squam Road,Nantucket Coastal Conservancy Bruce Perry Discussion Erisman—This pre-proposal discussion is presented by SBPF. Pucci—Reviewed the process leading to these proposed options and those involved in the discussion.This is not an effort to seek a new decision;it is to seek a good-faith proposition to avoid litigation.The Select Board has concerns that go beyond ConCom jurisdiction. In 2010, the existing project was permitted due to a catastrophic breach threatening 87-105 Baxter Road; that permit resulted in SBPF having an obligation to the Town with SBPF bearing the burden of the cost. Reviewed the history leading to the litigation for the extended project and to this discussion. The purpose for tonight is to get out to public domain the substantive discussion of the process and to bring to the ConCom the result of conversations between SBPF and the Town. Erisman—The Commission authorized her to be part of the Select Board/SBPF dialogue;her role was to advise the workgroup as best possible on how this project could be curtailed to comply with some ConCom issues. Pointed out her participation in that workgroup discussion was in no way indicative of her support of the outcome. Carlson—His role in the workgroup discussion was as agent and administrator for ConCom. Fee—The goal of the workgroup was to explore a compromise path to avoid litigation.The compromise won't cost the Town more money—divisiveness does cost the Town money.We need fair and clear oversight of the project so that should the day come the tubes are causing damage,the structure will be removed and that request for removal will stand up to a legal challenge. Phillips—Not having been aware of the exact charge of the workgroup and that this was put together to bring together a new and better settlement,she was surprised when she saw this.A lot of her surprise was because it was her impression that we were in the midst of litigation and waiting for the Superior Court decision. The concern about additional litigation expenses was also a surprise. To overturn a decision by a group like ConCom,the standard for the applicant to prevail would be to prove to Superior Court that the action taken by ConCom was not reasonably related to preservation and protection of the interests protected by the bylaw and they must show the decision was arbitrary and capricious.She understood ConCom's position at Superior Court was a good one. Normally,it's the party with the weaker case who take ConCom Minutes for November 5,2019,adopted Nov. 12 steps to negotiate for a settlement. She thinks ConCom has a winning argument and moving forward with this would result in ConCom negotiating with itself;that doesn't make sense. The impact on the environment has been absent from these discussions;what is mentioned is interests of the Town, relation with SBPF, and private ownership of the homes. The makeup of the workgroup was heavily weighted to provide a position where there were many highly-paid people on behalf of SBPF and ConCom had a volunteer with a full-time job and Town employees who trying to do multiple jobs at once. Feels the Environment did not have adequate representation on this workgroup,i.e.no independent expert.The concept of how this came about,the lack of balance on the group,and failure to have independent expert opinion is a huge surprise.The environment is ConCom's jurisdiction;that's what we have to think about Erisman—Believes this discussion is an opportunity to bring to light environmental issues. Topham—The Select Board doesn't want to step on our toes.Now is the time for ConCom to provide input. He's happy that they have negotiated for an option that is palatable. Engelbourg—Most of tonight will be based upon the content of the letter. He is glad the Town and SBPF are coming to this table to see if there is way for this to proceed. Nothing that's happened is forcing ConCom to vote a certain way.He protests Mr.Fee's characterization that what happened in the past was divisive;feels we followed the legal process. Golding—Mr.Engelbourg and Ms.Phillips covered his concerns quite well. Fetch—He was very aware of the eroding bluff and the thought of Baxter Road being in peril was disturbing. He is not a member of the SBPF but a voice for Sconset Trust and engaged in the alternative access agreement He joined the workgroup to be a neutral voice from Sconset.The memorandum that came out of the workgroup is a framework for compromise,collaboration,and coordination and will ensure monitoring.The workgroup did receive profession input from Ms.Erisman.The full span of Baxter Road has 78 house all of which are at risk. Dunk—The main elements the workgroup tried to address:sustainability,improved public access,better failure criteria, legal compliance, phase construction, all structures meeting bylaws, no alteration to coastal dunes, adjusting design length, sand mitigation, template cover, contribution sand, use of off-shore sand, and establishment of a"sand bank".Reviewed technical changes reflected in this proposal.The workgroup focused on the technical details which led to the initial denial. The current structure has not caused damage to the environment and been fairly stable over time.The proposed project is for long-term protection of the coast. Reviewed the proposed project phases. Another component addressed is how to handle the template not as a one-size-fits-all but to look at the varied contributions of the bluff to the littoral system;described the 4,identified"reaches"and individual management of each reach.SBPF is asking for a reduction in monitoring as a result of the last 7 years;described the amended monitoring.This is a pre-application discussion and does not seek ConCom's endorsement of details;the SBPF will develop an NOI based upon this discussion. Cohen — Addressed Ms. Phillips' points; this is not a meeting to discuss settlement of the litigation. When ConCom denied the last NOI, it was close—4 to 3. This workgroup tried to look at the project not only as ConCom jurisdiction but public interests. There were legal determinations made by the Department of Environmental Protection(DEP)that weren't available at the time of ConCom's denial.He feels one of the best ideas to come out of the workgroup was to phase the project construction.The Commission should think about whether or not the presented changes are improvements that would result in a positive decision on an NOI. We're looking for feedback on the presented changes. Engelbourg—Related to the sand sourcing as proposed,having an off-shore sand site is beneficial,but he feels that needs to happen before Phase I.With the existing project,there have been concerns about enough sand and clean sand; we need a clean, reliable sand source and enhanced parameters for allowing sand: grain size and chemical-biological-color testing. Dunk—Phase I addresses sections of the road and home criteria. Engelbourg—Feels there is a miss characterization representing all lots as being allowed protection;ConCom has regulatory oversight over the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act(WPA)and local bylaws.The Superior Court hearing would tell us which houses actually warrant protection. Golding—The existing geotubes protect 7 lots, five of which are vacant and not entitled to protection. The proposal for Phase I the north end has 2 vacant lots and 3 pre-1978 houses. The section south of the existing project has 1 vacant lot and 2 pre-1978 houses.When Mr.Felch mentioned 78 houses on Baxter Road,no house on the west side is within ConCom jurisdiction. He disagrees with Mr.Dunk about the existing structure not having caused environmental damage.He doesn't feel the proposed changes are an improvement. Agrees with Ms. Phillips that the environmental issues we discussed were not addressed by the workgroup. Topham — He thought the 20% rule could be override by the State since it was enacted in 2004. Suggested ConCom could be hanging its hat on something that isn't there.Asked Mr.Pucci if that is the case. Pucci—What Mr.Topham said about the 20%rule is a claim made by the applicant Super Court would decide the bylaw applicability. Recommends against his giving any legal opinions on a case since he is going to both brief and argue the case in court.He will focus on the performance standard related conditions and ConCom concerns.He's willing to meet with ConCom in executive session to discuss litigation. If it ends up the Commission consensus is that this is a non-starter,that is helpful for SBPF to know. Pave 2 of 4 ConCom Minutes for November 5,2019,adopted Nov. 12 Beale—He's reluctant to move ahead with the Superior Court case still hanging.He's not sure it's up to ConCom to say,"Let's regroup and reconsider."He is in favor of letting Superior Court play out then proceed from there. Golding—Noted that Baxter Road is outside ConCom jurisdiction up to Lot 81.Agrees with Mr.Beale. Phillips —She would like to accept Mr. Pucci's offer to have an executive session to discuss issues and get a better sense of those issues;asked that be scheduled. Engelbourg—In reviewing proposed changes to mitigation and placement,he's confused about the statistics. At 22 cubic linear feet(CLF) across the whole project,no number is above 22 CLF,and some is much smaller. Asked Mr.Dunk to explain his math. Dunk—The framework out of the workgroup was for 22 CLF the length of the template and annually replacing the sand for that year based upon that reach and the amount coming off the bluff.Our calculation off the bluff has been much less than 22 CLF;the 22 CLF was to ensure enough sand was on the template to feed into the system. Erisman-The 22 CLF was determined by DEP. Cohen—The idea of 22 CLF is a myth.The real issue is the correct way to calculate sand.As the bank height changes,the erosion rate changes,so the amount of sand mitigation will change. Golding—The 22 CLF is an extreme underestimation of what comes off the bluff during an extreme event.The back-to-back storms of March 2018 proved how inadequate that was. Engelbourg—There are ways to ensure we not only meet annual conditions but also protect against extreme events.He'd like to see the percentage of how much sand on the current project is actually being used.It makes sense for the sand mitigation to be adaptive and to better relate to what naturally happens to the bluff. Phillips—Gregg Berman,ConCom's independent reviewer,had data where the ConCom felt comfortable with the continued use of the proportions.Having an adaptive process makes sense.We also need to review the latest annual report, and have it reviewed by an independent reviewer. Agrees about getting the sand source nailed down before anything begins. Carlson—Staff sent out the annual report and Mr.Berman is reviewing that report. Read Sam Kefferstan's,Massachusetts Audubon,comment of concerns regarding impact on Sechachacha Pond into the record;Mr.Kefferstan will send it in to be added to the record. Read Burton Balkind question:all concerns satisfactorily addressed. Murphy—Three points: the Superior Court case has been twice extended and is not due for resolution until December;a decision being made based upon the bylaw and WPA;and littoral drift to the north,which impacts his client's property. M.Perry—Asked if the ConCom saw Town Counsel's response to her questions.There is a lot that is puzzling to her and she supports a number of comments made by Commissioners. Carlson—Anyone that submitted written comments,those comments have been posted and will be available on the website;staff can provide hard copies. As a matter of procedure,the existing Order of Conditions requires a meeting to discuss the 2019 Annual Report, we want Mr.Berman's comments in hand before that meeting. R.Atherton—Encouraged all commissioners to read Nantucket Land Council letter. D.A.Atherton — Four of the present commissioner sat on the NOI for this proposal, 3 did not. Nantucket Coastal Conservancy(NCC)went back through therecord;there were 12 special ConCom meetings and 4 regular meetings spanning 9 months to cover massive amounts of information related to this project. She takes exception to the characterization that the vote was a close call;the original Select Board Memorandum of Understanding received a 3-2 vote,which hasn't been characterized as a close call. Asked how the 3 commissioners who did not sit on the original NOI can opine on this framework to decide if it is approvable.This is a pre-hearing for a project that has been denied after extensive review.Since 2011,SBPF has submitted a number of proposals for hard armoring on the public beach below the bluff; every single ConCom since 2011 has denied hard armoring.The Commission needs to understand the historical context. Topham — Mr. Engelbourg went through the entire file; Ms. Phillips was on NCC so was following the proceedings;and Mr.Beale is intelligent enough to get up to snuff;he feels Ms.Atherton's concern is unfounded. He doesn't think anything will be missed.We need to look at this as an independent application.The purpose of tonight is to decide whether or not to allow a new NOI to go forward. Engelbourg—Everything that was submitted,including the videos of those meetings,is available;each one of us has the ability to apply rules and regulations applicable to our jurisdiction.Ultimately it sounds like we need a motion whether we agree with SBPF or we don't'agree. Erisman—We don't need a motion; a straw poll would work here. Wants to ensure everyone is comfortable before expressing an opinion to SBPF. Phillips — She was under the impression there would be no decision made tonight. She also doesn't want to make a decision until the Commission sees the 2019 Annual Report and have the Executive Session with Mr. Pucci. Beale—We should be very careful about telling an applicant that they should or should not apply. Erisman—The difference is that this applicant has a project that was denied,and they can't reapply within a certain period. Carlson—There is a 3-year rehearing limit on NOIs that were acted on in an unfavorable manner.The aim of tonight is to put the new concept forward and for SBPF to get feedback. ConCom Minutes for November 5,2019,adopted Nov. 12 Pucci — The ConCom isn't being asked to rule tonight; that is a much more substantive discussion. This information has been available to the public and Commissioners only very recently.The purpose of this hearing is to get the proposed changes out into the public and get feedback from the ConCom. Golding—He also feels we have a responsibility to future commissioners and past ones to support their decision; that decision was to deny this, and it is going through Superior Court. He doesn't support an application truncating the process with a new NOI. Topham—The three new members should have the opportunity to express their opinions on the proposaL Phillips—She can't say tonight whether she thinks it makes sense for SBPF to go forward;there are important pieces of data she doesn't have to make the best decision possible.We need to be fair to SBPF. Engelbourg—Feels what is really is important is if we feel the changes are significant and substantive over the previous NOI. If it does not represent a significant change and/or does not address concerns that caused the denial,there is no need for it to go forward.He's willing to look at a new project if this represents a significantly new proposal. Phillips—Feels a need to clarify;a past decision doesn't control everything and SBPF thinks this is sufficiently different to warrant a thorough look.However,she doesn't have independent data supporting that claim.At this moment,she doesn't know enough about this proposal to say yes to its going forward. LaFleur—There is an awful lot to consider and the new members have to have the opportunity to have their say. B.Perry—Stated he submitted written comments.Not everyone wants to see the litigation go away. He thinks ConCom's decision was well considered,and we should wait for the Superior Court ruling. He has never seen a workgroup submit a document to a Board after consideration was complete;it appears there have been comments on that project and a decision made before an application was filed.He sees nothing in the submittal that is substantially different from the project that was denied. Dunk—This pre-hearing is to get feedback on what was submitted.SBPF does not expect a decision tonight Golding—Mr.Perry was very succinct.Since 2013 he has accumulated six inches of notes on the subject. Erisman—Asked Mr.Carlson to schedule an executive session before the next discussion. Pucci—Cautioned SBPF,the one thing that won't come out of the executive session is he will not present that ConCom has a weak case and to give it up;he does not think that.His role is to advocate the Commissions case in court. The purpose of this pre-hearing process is to look at the alternative and decided if it can be debated upon its merits. If SBPF has not been provided with a sufficient read on if it is worthwhile to continue pursuing,that is an issue they need to take into account.Competing policy decisions of the Select Board,which they are pursuing, are based upon different concerns from ConCom. Topham — When Staff looks at available dates for executive session, please consider the Historic District Commission meeting schedule to avoid conflicting hearings. Carlson—Any further pre-hearing discussion would be requested by the party that is requesting that Action Continued. Roll-call vote N/A III. PUBLIC MEETING A. Other Business 1. Approval of Minutes:None 2. Commissioners Comment a.None 3. Administrator/Staff Reports a.None Adjournment Action Motion to Adjourn at 8:19 p.m.(made by:Phillips) (seconded.) Roll-call vote Carried unanimously//Beale,Engelbourg,Erisman,Golding,Lafleur,Phillips,and Topham-aye Submitted by: Terry L.Norton Pace4nf4