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Town and County of Nantucket 020 JUN 18 AM 10: 15
ROADS AND RIGHT OF WAY COMMITTEE
Posted Meeting of 18 February 2020
Conference Room of 2 Fairgrounds Road
FINAL AND APPROVED MINUTES
1. Call to Order, Approval of the Agenda, Approval of Minutes, and Public Comments.
A. Chair Allen Reinhard called the meeting to order at 4:02 pm. In attendance were,Nelson
(Snookie) Eldridge, Ed Gillum, Bill Grieder,Nat Lowell(4:23 pm),Allen Reinhard, Bert Ryder
(4:53 pm), and Lee Saperstein; there was a quorum at all times.
Absent: Rick Atherton, Leslie Forbes.
Guests: Thomas Barada, Ken Beaugrand, Real Estate Specialist, Steven Cohen,Attorney,Andy
Lowell, Member of Harbor and Shellfish Advisory Board, Arthur Reade, Attorney,
B. Approval of the Agenda. The agenda was approved unanimously.
C. Public Comments:
Allen Reinhard asked if there were any public comments for items not on the agenda and there
was none.
D. Minutes. Approval of the minutes from January 21, 2020,was moved by Snookie Eldridge
and seconded by Bill Grieder; approval was unanimous.
2. James Street Public Access.
Allen Reinhard introduced the topic of public access through James Street to the Harbor by
saying that members of the public at the last meeting asked if we could return to the subject
formally, i.e. on the published agenda. He then invited those present to speak.
Thomas Barada went first and spoke about his concern that the yard sale proposed for James
Street would prevent its use for vehicular access to the water. Furthermore,this disposition now
includes a narrower, five-foot section of the easement from the retaining wall to the beach
whereas the original proposal was for eight feet. He asked if the committee would ask the Town
if this could be re-negotiated. Allen Reinhard replied that once we recommend the taking and
disposition, we do not enter into the negotiations between the Town and the property owners.
Arthur Reade said that he is an attorney who represents one of the abutters. His client has owned
the property since 1957. Once upon the time,there was a public way monument at the entrance
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L,to 40 f iv4(d way bi t]tt was removed,probably because it and other four parallel ways were not
public. The posts may have been installed by the developer of the Beachside Development. He
explained also that the concrete bulkhead was installed after the No-name storm of 1993 and the
wooden fence was replaced after a storm in 2013. That installation caused neighbors with.
deeded rights for access to the water to complain to the Town. This complaint led to the warrant
articles (Five and Six) for taking and disposition of Beachside Streets in the Special Town
Meeting of 2013. Because his client's house has been on top of the way since it was built, the
land in the way and beneath the building is now owned by his client due to adverse possession.
The proposed solution includes an One Big Beach easement for public access to the beach across
the entire width of the way proposed for yard sale.
Steven Cohen, attorney for the other abutter, agreed with the explanation.
At this point, Allen Reinhard said that the committee's entire thrust, as defined in its mission
statement, was to provide public access to the water and the beach. He then asked Thomas
Barada about his concerns for access to the water during some future emergency. Thomas
Barada explained that James Street was the only one of the five Beachside ways that was flat and
level all the way to the water and might be needed during some future flooding event.
Allen Reinhard said that the retaining wall and the wooden bulkhead would be a real hindrance
to vehicular access and that access is available at Charles Street and at Brant Point.
Lee Saperstein pointed out that there are procedures that may be imposed by the Town and the
State during a declared emergency and that it did not seem necessary to prepare for the unknown
when police-power procedures were already in place. Steven Cohen repeated the case for the
disposition.
Lee Saperstein then made a motion to take no action, which, he said,was debatable and, if it
passed, would restore the committee's original recommendation in favor of the disposition. Nat
Lowell seconded the motion and Allen Reinhard agreed that it was discussable. Nat Lowell
reviewed the history of the One Big Beach program. Ed Gillum spoke in agreement with all that
had been said. In the interest of completeness, he asked if water depth was one of the reasons for
the request to not convey and the response from the guests was'`yes." Bill Grieder reminded the
committee that one house is on top of the way and the conveyance would cure that
encroachment. Arthur Reade said that the land under the house is registered but the way was
not. However, adverse possession gives the home owner rights to the land under the house. Nat
Lowell reminded us that the committee started as much as ten years ago to remedy
encroachments and misunderstandings of way ownership and we have come a long way.
Andy Lowell said that SHAB understands that the public access is important but has no
objection to the disposition as long as access is maintained. Thomas Barada asked if the fence
would be rebuilt and the answer was that there is no permanent fencing in the design of the
proposed easement.
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The vote was unanimous to take no action. Nat Lowell was included in the vote but Bert Ryder
was not yet in the meeting.
3. Updated "Official" List of Public and Private Ways: Next Steps.
Allen Reported that he has met with Nathan Porter, GIS Coordinator, who will provide him with
a detailed breakdown of the ways on the Island. Nat Porter has divided the Island into six
sections and will further produce detailed maps for each section. To begin, he has created three
maps that cover the west end of the Island. Ways on the map are color coded to show
ownership: public,private, and unknown. Allen Reinhard suggested that we would transcribe
road names into a printed list. The next step would be to ask Andrew Vorce what he knows
about the indeterminate ways and then go to the Registry of Deeds to research them. He has
asked Dave Fronzuto, former Emergency Manager for the Town, if he knew of a definitive list
and he said no.
Ed Gillum and Bill Grieder offered to look at the three maps of the Island's west end and
transcribe street names and ownership status. Ed Gillum said that this research could lead to
recommendations for taking. Allen Reinhard said, yes, once we have reviewed the data,we
could bring individual streets to the agenda for a taking recommendation if they met the criteria.
4. Takings List Review.
Allen Reinhard had nothing new to report about takings although we could ask the Town for the
status of our recommendation for taking Franklin Street. Ken Beaugrand said that he had no
news on Franklin Street; he was pleased to report,though, that a survey of Stone Alley has been
ordered. Nat Lowell said that he had been asked to look at Franklin Street and he had. He liked
the entry steps to New North Cemetery. The private installation of a curb has narrowed the way
and it should be examined.
Nat Lowell said that he has driven along Hinsdale Road and that we ought to consider it for a
taking. Hinsdale Road is already built up and he expects several more subdivisions along it. The
road is private and in terrible shape even though it has a lot of housing along it. [Action: Return
Hinsdale Road to the agenda to discuss a potential taking.]
5. Encroachment Policy: List of Problem Areas of Pedestrian and Traffic Safety.
Allen Reinhard asked if anyone else had contributions of encroachments of a serious and
dangerous nature. He termed them "egregious."
Ed Gillum pointed out that Delaney and streets around it have a lot of boulders in the layout.
Bert Ryder reminded us that Hussey and India Streets have decorative posts along them. Allen
Reinhard recalled that Walsh and Swain Streets has a big rock at the corner of 5 Swain Street.
Ed Gillum said that there was a problem with intruding hedges on North Liberty across from the
Land Bank property(16 North Liberty). Thomas Barada reported that a property at the corner of
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Johnson and Hulbert (84 Hulbert Avenue)has a hedge in the layout that restricts vision for those
turning from Johnson to Hulbert. Bert Ryder said that a similar condition exists at the corner of
Orange and Dover(77 Orange), where hedges block the view of pedestrians for drivers coming
down Dover. Snookie Eldridge pointed out that a similar condition exists at Cherry and Orange
Streets (117 Orange Street).
Allen Reinhard asked people to keep submitting examples. Ed Gillum suggested that we ask a
representative of the Nantucket Landscapers Association to attend when next we discuss
encroachments.
6. Member comments, Old, New or Other Business: Historic Coloured Cemetery Access.
Allen Reinhard asked if there were any member concerns that had not been addressed. He noted
that Lee Saperstein had asked that the Railroad trail be upgraded to an active subject.
Bill Grieder asked if we can resolve the conflict with SHAB on the meeting space.
7. Adjourn,
Adjournment came by acclamation at 5:13 pm.
Next meeting: 4:00 p.m., Tuesday, March 17, 2020.
Lee W. Saperstein, Secretary Date
Roads and Right of Way Outstanding Projects List:
Public Way Monument Project: (Lee & Allen & Snookie)
• Install remaining monuments at Sconset Footpath, Hulbert Ave.
• Update file of existing monuments
• Move monuments at Westchester St. Ext. &Crooked Lane
Sidewalk Projects: (Allen)
• Prospect St. (bike path to Upper Vestal St.) and on to Madaket bike path
• Cliff Rd. Coffin Park to bike path at Sherburne Tpk.
• Pleasant St. Gardner Perry Lane to Williams St.
• Follow implementation of downtown sidewalk improvements
• Bike/Pedestrian connection from Surfside to Hummock Pond to Madaket paths
Harbor Walk Project: (Rick)
• Identify route and identify sections needing constructed walkway
• Concept drawings of construction required
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• List permits and approvals needed and process to obtain
• Funding
Chapter 91 Monitor Project: (Leslie& Lee)
• Define goals for project
• Make local license information available on line
• Chapter 91 licenses along route for the Harbor Walk
• Locate other locations on Nantucket and Madaket Harbors requiring licenses
Nantucket Greenway and Trail System Project: (Allen,Lee, Bert)
• Nantucket Central Rail Road trail
• Map existing island trail and footpath systems and identify missing links
• How should maps and information be shared?
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