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Home My WebLink About2019-4-11 HDC Minutes for April 11,2019,adopted May 7 Tu HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION: baa �,�,,, ., , . , REGULAR MEETING : -; t..'. L. . s ,. t 2 Fairgrounds Road c09P�A �4> Nantucket,Massachusetts 02554 2313 ,-*L1 1 _8 AM ;O: \ - www.nantucket-ma.gov Commissioners:Raymond Pohl(Chair),Diane Coombs (Vice-chair),John McLaughlin,Abigail Camp,Vallorie Oliver, Associate Commissioners: Stephen Welch,Terence Watterson, Jessie Dutra — MINUTES — Thursday,April 11, 2019 Planning and Land Use Services, 2 Fairgrounds Road,Training Room— 1:00 p.m. Called to order at 1:00 p.m. and announcements by Mr.Pohl Staff in attendance: Cathy Flynn,Administrative Specialist Attending Members: Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver,Welch,Watterson Absent Members: Dutra Late Arrivals: Camp, 1:04 p.m.;Coombs, 1:06 p.m. Early Departures: Watterson,2:46 p.m. A.enda a,.roved as amended b unanimous consent. I. PUBLIC COMMENT None II. OLD BUSINESS Property owner name Street Address Scope of work Map-Parcel Agent 1. N.I.R.Retail.LLC 38 Main Street Color change 42.3.1-189 Jamie Lee Nass Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates None Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing Jamie Lee Nass,NIR—Presented a paint chips. Club Car's door and trim are black. Public None Concerns(1:40) (1:02)Motion to Hold for representation. (Welch) Carried unanimously. (Camp and Coombs not present) Oliver—Black doors are okay but black windows is an anomaly. Camp—She feels black doors would be heavy. Pohl—Consensus is okay with the"Calm white"and Essex green for the sash and doors. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with"Calm white"trim and Essex green sash and doors. (Coombs) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate# 72232 2. Maraganore 41 Ocean Avenue Expand deck 73.3.2-50 Mark Avery Voting Pohl,McLaughlin,Oliver,Welch,Watterson Alternates None Recused None Documentation None Representing None Public None Concerns (1:02) Not opened at this time Motion Motion to Hold for representation. (Welch) Vote Carried Certificate# VI. NEW BUSINESS Property owner name Street Address Scope of work Map-Parcel Agent 1. Gray,Deborah 0 New Street Rev.70347:dormer 73.1.3-33 Val Oliver Voting Pohl,McLaughlin, (Camp?Arrived during Val's presentation),Welch,Watterson Alternates None Recused Oliver Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing Val Oliver—Presented project. Public None Concerns (1:03) Pohl—SAB stated this doesn't meet the guidelines,but the dormer already existed. No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate# 72233 Page 1 of 6 HDC Minutes for April 11,2019,adopted May- 2. .Anguelov, Martin 19B Waydale Road New dwelling 6--29 Val Oliver Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Watterson Alternates None Recused Oliver,Welch I)ocumentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Val Oliver—Presented project. Public Stephen Welch, 13 Waydale Road — He's not against Huntingdon homes, but he is concerned about the height of the structure. Other Huntingdon's a 11/2-story capes.If this is approved,it should be subject to screening along the street. Concerns (1:o7) Pohl—From the first floor to the top of window is 6'10.5"with at least 1.5 feet above that;the 1"-floor ceiling is that can be reduced,it will bring the height down. Watterson—It looks like the 1`t-floor ceiling height is around 9 feet. Okay with the front porch and bringing the he: .'nt down. McLaughlin—It measures at 8'10". Camp—If the height comes down,she had no concerns. Coombs—She likes the porch, suggested it go all the way across with a hipped roof. ;\lotion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Camp) Vote Carried unanimously Certificate = 3. Moore,Bill 3 West Chester Street Color change 424.3-14 NAG Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing Steve Theroux,Nantucket Architectural Group—White trim,Essex green sashes and doors. Public None Concerns (t:tb) Pohl—Read HSAB comments:prefer other than white, sash should be sympathetic to trim. Oliver—No concerns. Camp—Likes the current color but we've approved this combination before. Motion Motion to Approve with the sashes,front door,basement door,and window boxes Essex Green. (Coombs) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate = 72234 -4. Casey,Steve 31 Pine Crest Drive Patio 68-423 N a G Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver :Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None I)ocumentation Landscape design plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Steve Theroux,Nantucket Architectural Group—Presented project. Public None Concerns(1:22) No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Oliver) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate = 72235 5. Love,Joanne 36 Hooper Farm Road Fence 6- 103 NAG Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver :Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None Documentation Landscape design plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Milena Ilieva,Nantucket Architectural Group—Presented project. Steve Theroux,Nantucket Architectural Group—There are two existing fences;if this is a board fence,that makes three types on the property. Public None Concerns(1:24) Pohl—The lattice should be square,not diagonal.Agrees with Ms. Camp about it being a 5-foot board fence. Oliver—It shouldn't go all the way to the street.Retracted her concerns. Coombs—Would prefer it be reduced to 4&1. McLaughlin—The fence should be no more than 4 feet from the front of the house to the road. Camp — The fence stops 8 feet from the road. Feels the lattice draws attention to the fence; a hoard fence would he subtler. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with the fence to be a 5-foot board from the front of the house towards the road. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate= 72236 Page 2 of 6 HDC Minutes for April 11,2019,adopted May 7 6. Norris,Mark 31 Pilgrim Road Rev. 69408:outdoor shower 41-97 Self Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Juraj Bencat,JB Studio—Presented project. Public None Concerns (1:34) Oliver—This is huge. McLaughlin—Right now it is visible and 8 feet tall.The wall boards should be vertical,and height reduce to 6'8". Pohl—A lot of this has to do with visibility.Asked if members want to view this. Motion Motion to View. (Camp) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 7. Kilmartin,John 11 New Mill Street Addition 55.4.4-87 Topham Design Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,historic documentation,and advisory board comments. Representing Joe Topham,Topham Design—Main mass circa 1935, 1984 addition; 1992 rear ell rebuilt due to fire.Presented project. Public None Concerns (1:47) Pohl—Read HSAB comments:addition overwhelms;proposed architecture not sympathetic;date of construction. Camp—Agrees with HSAB,addition overwhelms the simple original mass:too tall and pediment dormer overwhelms. Oliver—Agrees.The addition eave heights are higher than the main mass; suggested a reverse saltbox. Coombs—Agrees with HSAB. McLaughlin—Confirmed there are no air conditioning units(A/C).Noted there are three awning windows;they should be fixed. Pohl—He's okay with the projecting rear ell matching what is there;his concerns are:it sticks out at the side and the high eave height. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Coombs) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 8. N.H.A. 15 Broad Street Add deck/add awning 42.2.2-61 Concept Design Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch Recused Watterson Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing TJ Watterson,Concept Design—Presented project;awning is temporary and retractable for use during events only. Doug Seaholm,NHA Public None Concerns(1:56) Pohl—Read HSAB comments:No concerns. No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Camp) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 72237 9. Cohen,Steven L.Tr. 13 Squam Road Move off shed 21-7 Jenne Atherton Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Jenne Atherton—Presented project. Public None Concerns (2:01) No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Oliver) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 72238 10. Atherton,Jenne 7 Swift Rock Road Move on shed 40-68 Self Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Jenne Atherton—Presented project. Public None Concerns (2:1)3) Pohl—There are no dimensions;we need something in the record to accurately reflect the shed. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with dimensions from road and property line entered into the record. (Oliver) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 72239 Page 3 of 6 HDC Minutes for April 11,2019,adopted May 11. 5 Cobble Court Trust 5 Cobble Court New dwelling 55-261 Shelter- Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch,AWatterson Recused None I)ocumentation Architectural elevation plans, site plan,and photos. Representing Cameron Marks,owner—Presented project. Public None Concerns (2:o5) McLaughlin—There are six awning windows; should be fixed. Oliver—We need large-sized corrected plans. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with large-sized,corrected drawings. (Camp) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate= 72240 12. Gibson,Matthew 22 Woodbine Street Sport court 80-322 David rocs' \'oting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver :Alternates Welch,Watterson Recused None I)ocumentation Landscape design plans, site plan,photos. Representing David Troast—Presented project;the surface is a permeable material. Public None Concerns(2:13) Oliver—She viewed this;the court is way past where Woodbine ends. Coombs—Agrees it isn't visible. McLaughlin—Asked what the surface is. Camp—No concerns. \lotion Motion to Approve due to lack of visibility. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate = 72241 13. Jemison,Steve 9 West Chester Street Rev.70107:dormer&windows 42.4.3-12 JB Studio Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver \lternates Welch,Watterson Recused None 1)ocumentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing Juraj Bencat,JB Studio—Presented project;circa 1792. Public None Concerns (2:19) Pohl—Read HSAB comments: photos of existing conditions;north shed dormer obliterates roof; 2-story mass addition will be wall on Wyers Ln; east "C" windows; south "D" windows in addition nor appropriate, 15-light should be rnort traditional,and door looks to be floating. McLaughlin—The"D"casement windows should be 6-light fixed. Coombs—The south elevation"D"windows should be 6-over-6.The 15-light door panes don't match the windows. r windows need to go back into the first floor.Agrees with HSAB about the north elevation. Oliver—South elevation, the window arrangement is unusual; suggested eliminating one window and center a window over the front door.North elevation,the 3rd-floor dormer on the main mass should be broken up into two gable dorrr.er, or fill in between the existing gable dormers with a shed. Okay with removal of the chimney. The east elevation needs some fenestration.There is no indication if the windows are true-divided-light or simulated-divided-light. Camp—South elevation,the"D"windows are inappropriate and don't relate back to the original structure; should be 'over-6 or 12-over-12; the side door should have a panel on it and look more like a side door rather than a French door. Rear,okay with the shed dormer but should come off the roofline one foot. Wall facing\\vers Lane needs fenestration. Pohl—Agrees with what's been said. lotion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Oliver) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate = Page 4 of 6 HDC Minutes for April 11,2019,adopted May 7 14. Mackey,Liam 3 North Union Street Rev.71908:window changes 42.3.1-214.2 Emeritus Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch Recused Watterson Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing Alex Bagmets,Emeritus Development—Presented project. Public None Concerns(2:40) Pohl—Read HSAB comments: previous approval done without HSAB review;west centered door not appropriate and should remain as existing in secondary mass. Oliver—West elevation,the bungalow door is not appropriate for this building;suggested top four-light door. Okay with the windows. Coombs—She agrees with Ms.Oliver's suggested door;cited the Rose and Crown doors as a good example.The windows should be removable for summer use. Camp—This is now a public space and the doors don't have to be so residential. McLaughlin—A/C isn't indicated on the plans. Pohl—He's okay with the revised door. Motion Motion to Approve through staff per Exhibit A. (Camp) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 72242 15. Hanig,Marco 23 Burnell Street Rev.72080:window change 73.4.1-26.1 Emeritus Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,photos,historic documentation,and advisory board comments. Representing Alex Bagmets,Emeritus Development—Presented project. Public None Concerns(2:52) Pohl—Read SAB comments: east change of doors find, can't be seen; south elevation,prefer previous approval; north, prefer 15-light doors. Camp—Wants to know what the east relates back to.Prefers the previous approval. Oliver—No concerns;the north elevation windows are under a porch and if they could be seen,they could he screened. Coombs—She doesn't think there is much vegetation on the lot;it would be a good idea to screen the north elevation. McLaughlin—There should be harmony between the windows and the proposed doors. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with the proposed doors can't be seen upon inspection and thereafter. (Oliver) Vote Carried 4-1//McLaughlin opposed Certificate# 72243 16. Hills&Valleys,LLC (OB) 14A Greglen Avenue New dwelling 68-182 Emeritus Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates None Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Alex Bagmets,Emeritus Development—This was held for a view;reviewed the project. Public None Concerns(3:03) Coombs—She'd like to have a photographic streetscape;the area is a mess to get into. Oliver—She doesn't think the board should approve this without know what else is going there.This is too vertical.The west elevation should have a door;the porch shed roof should be carried across.She's okay with casement windows over a kitchen sink and don't face front. McLaughlin—This has five casements;those should be fixed or double hung.The cupola should be eliminated. Camp—If it comes down 11/2 feet,it will look more proportional. Pohl—Would also like a streetscape.Agrees with Ms. Oliver about the door. Extending the porch either side might he good.Wait on the gable to see if it will be visible.Agrees with Mr.McLaughlin about the cupola. Motion Motion to View and hold for revisions. (Camp) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# 17. Hills&Valleys,LLC 14A Greglen Avenue Shed 68-182 Emeritus Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates Welch Recused None Documentation Architectural elevation plans,site plan,and photos. Representing Alex Bagmets,Emeritus Development—Presented project. Public None Concerns(3:14) Oliver—Side of the overhang being open is not approvable;east and north should have visibility. Motion Motion to View with revisions. (Camp) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate# Page 5 of 6 HDC Minutes for April 11,2019,adopted May 18. Anderson,Scott 282 Madaket Road Enclose porch window chg 59.4-68 Emeritus Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver Alternates \Welch Recused None Documentation :Architectural elevation plans, site plan,photos,and advisory board comments. Representing Alex Bagmets,Emeritus Development-Presented project. Public None Concerns (3:1-1) Pohl-Read MAB comments: No concerns. No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Oliver) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate = 72244 19. Margaret Marshall Trst 17 Sherburne Turnpike New dwelling 30-172.1 LINK 20. Margaret Marshall Trst 17 Sherburne Turnpike Cabana 30-1-2.1 LINK 21. Margaret Marshall Trst 17 Sherburne Turnpike Pool 30-1-2.1 LINK Voting Pohl,Coombs,McLaughlin,Camp,Oliver \ltcrnates Welch Recused None Documentation None Representing None Publie None Concerns(3:02) Not opened at this time. Motion Motion to Hold for Tuesday,April 16,2019. (Oliver) Vote Carried 5-0 Certificate VII. OTHER BUSINESS Continued Approve Minutes March 21 &26,2019:held Review Minutes None Other Business • Discussion of update on Vineyard Wind project. Welch-BOAM issued a mandate that the community submit projects for funding.They made a finding of no adverse impact on Nantucket and have not acknowledged a need for additional visual mitigation nor have they acknowledged many of our concerns let alone have the owners negotiate with us. The Plan A is to seek expert counsel for the workgroup; we would be able to use that expert's knowledge to create leverage for a better negotiating position.Plan B is to have a list of projects ready for submission;that has to be submitted by 19 with the follow up meeting scheduled for April 30.Reviewed the projects for a possible HDC vote: funding to update and expand the National register surveys; funding to update Building with Nantucket in Mind; funding for HDC administrative cost related to coastal resiliency and hazard. His role in the workgroup is to address historic tourism,maritime education tourism,historic education.We've asked the turbines be moved off. Coombs-It has been proven the turbines are detrimental to marine mammals. Oliver-She is working with an environmental attorney to prepare a case to sue Vineyard Wind. Pohl-There are five parcels totaling 832,000 square acres;asked if this is for the whole lot or first parcel. Welch-This is for the first parcel,which is the worst case for Nantucket. Pohl-If we do nothing on this parcel,it will set a negotiating precedent for the rest.He endorses Mr.Welch's efforts. Motion to Request funding for those projects as were outlined subject to a negotiating strategy. (Coombs) Carried unanimously • Discussion of attending Select Board meeting regarding upper Main Street sidewalk and road work. • Discussion of sidewalk work at Straight Wharf,Broad Street, Easy Street,lower Main Street,and Judith Chase Lane. • Discussion and possible vote to expand Historic Structures Advisory Board map for review of applications. • Discussion of approvable roof shingle colors, roof color change applications being placed on the Consent agenda and posting approved colors on the Town website. Welch-He put a sample of the grey roof shingle on the 2 Fairgrounds Road backroom file cabinets in natural- ish light.Asked commissioners to take a look at it. Commission Comments None list of additional documents used at the meeting: 1. Roof shingle sample grey 2. Building with Nantucket in Mind Adjourned at 3:28 by unanimous consent Submitted by: Term I.. Norton Historic Structures Advisory Board Sconset Advisory Board Madaket Advisory Board Page 6 of 6