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Home My WebLink About2011-12-20Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION 37 Washington Street Nantucket, Massachusetts 02554 Telephone: 508.228.7231 Fax: 508.325.7572 www.nantucket-ma.gov Commissioners: David Barham (Chair), Kevin Kuester (Vice- chair), John McLaughlin, Linda Williams, Dawn Hill- 14Q(dgate Associate Commissioners: Diane Coombs, John Wagley Staff: Mark Voigt, James Grieder — MINUTES — December 20, 2011 —OLD BUSINESS Public Safety Building, 4 Fairgrounds Road, 2nd -Floor Conference —5:00 pm ' �l All or a portion of this meeting is being recorded. If you plan to record this meeting yourself, please check with the chairman of the board before you begin. Called to order at 5:02 p.m. Staff in attendance: J. Grieder Attending Members: Barham, Kuester, McLaughlin, Williams, Hill - Holdgate, Coombs Absent Members: John Wagley Late Arrivals: None Early Departures: Hill Holdgate 6:18 p.m. Agenda adopted by unanimous consent 1. Jim Lydon: Architectural versus three -tab roofing – Brought in samples of slate roofing and original three -tab to show that three -tab tiles were initially made to imitate slate. 2. Williams Hunter: Dreamland Preservation Restriction – Request consider approval of restriction at beginning of meeting while notary is present. Staff – Other items as well need notarized signatures. Commissioners agree. Motion to Approve. (Kuester) Carried 5 -0// Williams recused. 1. Joy LLC (Collins) — 57355 4 N. Water St — HSAB New sign: projecting sign 42.4.2 -90 J. Pronovost 2.Ouelette, Victoria — 57356 7 Joy Street — HSAB Rev COA 56923 55.4.5 -32.2 L. Thornewill 3. Sylvia, John — 57357 9 Spinnaker Circle Renewal: COA (windows) 66 -345 E. Sylvia 4. Stader, Ann — 57358 9 Myles Standish Court New addition 87 -31 V. Oliver 5. Timora, Lonnie — 57359 19 Bartlett Road Hardscaping: apron 67 -8 Self Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Hill Holdgate Alternates Coombs Recused Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing N/A Public N/A Concerns Kuester — Approve with Item one based on SAC recommendations. Motion Motion to Approve with Item 1 based on Sign Advisory Commission recommendations. (Williams) Vote Carried 5 -0/ /McLaughlin abstain Certificate # 57355 to 57 359 Page 1 of 1 Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 3. Down the Middle P.T. 29 Liberty Street — HSAB New additions 42.3.4 -146 Rowland Assoc Sitting 1. Shapiro, Jeff 4 Copper Lane — HSAB Revisions: color scheme 42.3.3 -192 Rowland Assoc. Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Hill Holdgate Alternates Coombs Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Mickey Rowland, Rowland and Associates — We are withdrawing this application. Public None Concerns (5:13) None Motion Withdrawn by applicant Vote Carried Certificate # 2. Nantucket Athenaeum 1 &3 India Street — HSAB Replace railing 42.3.1 -73/4 R. Winters Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Ronald Winters Alan LaFrance Public None Concerns (5:14) HSAB comments read. Kuester — Not a fan of putting air - conditioning units (A /C) in front of buildings especially this one. However, the current system does not adequately screen the units. Do not believe all the possibilities have been exhausted. Coombs — Agree with Kuester. They are overwhelmingly large for going in on the roof. McLaughlin — Put it on the ground. Williams — They are already up there; HDC permitted it. They are better screened on the roof. Barham — Do not believe Williams is fully up to speed on the application. This is not to replace as existing, but to replace with much larger units. Agree with Kuester, Coombs & McLaughlin. Kuester — First choice is not on the ground; however, it is inadequately screened as presented. Coombs — A little wart with louvers in the style of the front of the Athenaeum would look better. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Kuester) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 3. Down the Middle P.T. 29 Liberty Street — HSAB New additions 42.3.4 -146 Rowland Assoc Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Hill Holdgate Alternates Coomb Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Mickey Rowland, Rowland and Associates Paula MacLeod Public None Concerns (5:28) HSAB comments read. Kuester — West elevation, existing bumpout should not come up so far, that would help maintain original shape of house. Rest is ok. Hill Holdgate — No concerns. McLaughlin — Orientation on elevations are wrong. Williams — West elevation ell window looks huge in that tiny addition. Barham — Back corner will be open across back and side of house; any cross bracing that exists will be lost. The linen closet could go and thus preserve a lot of historic fabric without changing the interior program. Motion Motion to Approve. (Williams) Vote Carried 3- 2 / /Opposed Barham & Kuester Certificate # 56360 Page 2 of 1 Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 4. 4KLLC 24 Hussey Street — HSAB Revisions: window 42.3.4 C. Skehel Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation. Curtis submitted at table historic photos. Representing Bill Curtis, Architect Public None Concerns (5:40) HSAB comments read. Kuester — Last week were told the photo would be in the view pack. Don't feel comfortable going on a non -clear photo. Barham — Did not have requested additional information in the view pack. Had asked for a high - resolution photo of original window; can't compare new to old based on low- resolution photo submitted at table. Motion Motion to View with high - resolution photos of original window. ( Kuester) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 5. Wentworth, Kim 14 Lincoln Ave — HSAB Hardscaping: driveway 30 -182 BPC Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Hill Holdgate, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Mark Cutone, BPC Public None Concerns (5:46) Williams - No concerns as long as retaining wall is gone. McLaughlin & Coombs agree. Motion Motion to Approve through staff without retaining wall. (Williams Vote Carried Certificate # 57361 6. Kopelman NT 21 Cliff Road — HSAB Revisions: new garage 42.4.4 -54 Botticelli & Pohl Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Ray Pohl Lisa Botticelli Public None Concerns (5:50) McLaughlin & Williams — No comments. Barham — Still think it is too tall and too close to the road and still blocks too much of the main house. Shed roof should be to the back to minimize height from view coming out of Town. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with shed dormer moved to North elevation. (WILLIAMS) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57362 7. Kopehnan NT 21 Cliff Road — HSAB Move /demo garage 42.4.4 -54 Botticelli & Pohl Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Ray Pohl Public None Concerns (5:54) No concerns. Motion Motion to Approve. (Williams) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57363 Page 3 of 1 Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 t "�i Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Hill Holdgate Alternates Coombs Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Val Oliver Public None Concerns (5:55) SAB comments read. Williams — Location, two structures have a presence onto Main Street. Concerned about placement of cottage and garage. This sticks two more structures in front of the house. Hill Holdgate — Picture windows are overwhelming in relation to size and might be visible. McLaughlin — Windows need to be true - divided- light (TDL) and double hung to match the rest of the house. Kuester — Share concerns about siting. Barham — The way the cottage is rotated. Present East elevation should face Main Street, then the picture windows would face the driveway; double -hung windows would be better. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Kuester) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Hill Holdgate Alternates Coombs Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Val Oliver Public None Concerns (5:55) Barham — Not concerned about garage, which fits the one across the street. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Kuester) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 3� Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Val Oliver James Cabral Jr. Public None Concerns (6:04) Staff — Administrator's report of site inspection. Motion Motion to Approve. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57364 Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Ethan Griffin, Chip Webster Associates — Roofwalk removed from application. Public None Concerns (6:09) SAB comments. Williams — Is not grounded and doesn't have brackets; it needs something. McLaughlin — Agree with Williams; should have brackets that won't interfere with windows. Kuester — It protrudes too far. Coombs — Remove small windows and put in brackets; pent roof could be cut back some. Barham— Agree with Kuester and Coombs. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Williams) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # Page 4 of 1 Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 Hill Holdgate depart 6:18 p.m. 12. Hart, E. 26 Willard Street Hardscaping 29 -112 M. McGowan Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Marty McGowan — As far as I understand, the 7X17 driveway is a legal application. Public Leslie Johnson, representing abutters — Hardscaping will exacerbate the water problem. Concerns (6:18) Kuester — Plan is too much for the lot. Not a fan of putting cars in front of buildings, so not in favor of the drive. Belgium block is way too heavy handed; did not see any around Willard Street. Coombs — Agree with Kuester. Aware of the water problem in that area and need to consider how the water will be handled. Still question legality of driveway (if it was ever approved). McLaughlin — Nothing to add. Williams — Traditionally the cars along this street were parked in the grass in front of the house, so have no problem with that. Surface of driveway is inappropriate, and driveway is too wide. Driveway should not go on this side of the structure. On the left, it is all paved and that is not appropriate. On the original approval, house was supposed to be at grade with lattice. Becoming too formal. Barham — Based on slope of drive, would have to add more railroad ties to retain around it rather than it going in at grade. The building was approved at a height related to the street; the grading indicates house was not built as approved. Need to see this again with previous approval; concerned about dimensions and changes of grade. Motion Motion to Hold for requested information. (McLaughlin) (James please check) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 13. Sabelhaus, Melanie 19 North Pasture Lane Rev. COA 55668: windows 44 -73 Botticelli & Pohl Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Lisa Botticelli Public None Concerns (6:52) No concerns Motion Motion to Approve. (Williams) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57365 14. Briggs, Doug 26 Nonantum Avenue New dwelling 87 -20 V. Oliver Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Val Oliver Doug Briggs & Claudia Sorgi — Told could not make a street cut off Nonantum Avenue. Public Steve Cohen, represent Middletons at 28 Nonantum Avenue — Design is not appropriate to neighborhood. Concerns (6:57) Williams — This is not constructed with the Surfside Area Plan in mind; need to review that plan and design appropriately. No additive massing. Kuester — Agree with Williams. McLaughlin — Too tall and front door should be a six - panel. Coombs — Agree with Williams and Kuester. There is enough room to bring some elements down to one -story and still have room. House needs to presents to Nonantum. Barham — Sash and trim needs to be a neutral or dark color. Agree with Williams, Kuester & Coombs. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. ( Kuester) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # Page 5 of 1 Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 15. Briggs, Doug 26 Nonantum Avenue New garage /apartment 87 -20 V. Oliver Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Val Oliver Doug Briggs & Claudia Sorgi Public Steve Cohen, represent Middletons at 28 Nonantum Avenue — Design is not in keeping with the Surfside Area Plan. Concerns (6:57) Williams — Too vertical and boxy. Kuester — Too tall. Barham — Sash and trim needs to be a neutral or dark color. Agree with what's been said. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # Break 7:20 to 7:26 p.m. 16. ERF LLC 108 Cliff Road Rotate house on site 41 -89 BPC Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Joe Paul, BPC Public None Concerns (7:27) Kuester — No objection with rotating; but don't like the driveway plan. Coombs — Agree with Kuester. McLaughlin — No comments. Williams — Nothing to add. Barham — Would like to know history of building. Agree about the front yard being turned into a driveway; should come in straight off Cliff Road. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions. (Coombs) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 17. 37 Squam Road NT 37 Squam Road Revisions: gym building 13 -26 BPC Sitting Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused McLaughlin Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Joe Paul, BPC Public None Concerns (7:33) Williams — Should not have 8 -foot doors. Kuester & Coombs — Agree Motion Motion to Approve through staff with height reduced one foot and doors reduced to 7 feet. (Williams) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57366 18. Minella, Phil 10 Gingy Lane New dwelling 41 -843 W. Yost Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing William Yost Public None Concerns (7:39) Williams — Front door and side door lights are need to match window panes. South elevation dormer meeting rails need to align. North elevation dormer is oversized; fancy bottom trim on windows need to be removed. McLaughlin — Front door needs to be a six panel. Coombs — North & South elevation single dormers, the framing is different from the rest. Barham — Agree with what's been said. South elevation left dormer is correct, the trim on the three dormers of the main mass is pushing into gable roof, roof should be pushed up so triangle is clean. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with heavier cornerboard, dormer trim worked out, South & West elevation doors glazing changed to match windows and chimney sides reduced 8 inches. (Williams) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57367 Page 6 of 1 Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 19. DeBiasio, Brian 39 Meadow View Drive New garage /studio 56 -133 Self Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Brian & Jayne DiBiasio Public None Concerns (7:52) Williams — Rear addition overhang is an issue. Kuester — Would like to see windows relate to each other better. Garage door is in a negative mass and doesn't work. Barham — Plans inadequately present the proposed building; it is hard to figure out what is going on. Remove shed roof over entry door. Items show up on the elevation but not on the floor plan or are on wrong floor. Building Department would never accept these drawings; requirements are for' /4 -inch scale line drawings. Motion Motion to Hold for revisions and proper drawings. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 20. Mercer, Mary 21 Western Avenue Rev. COA 56058: eave 87 -97 CWA Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Ethan Griffin, Chip Webster Associates Public None Concerns (8:10) Kuester — Prefer original approval. Coombs — Drop dormer off roof line. McLaughlin — South elevation two French doors. Barham — Roof adjustment should have a single window. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with single window East elevation dormer over French door. (McLaughlin) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57368 21. VIA VAI, LLC IOB Hinckley Lane Rev. COA 56766: Roofwalk 30 -228 SMRD Sitting McLaughlin, Williams, Barham, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Steve Roethke, S.M. Roethke Design Public None Concerns (8:16) Williams — South elevation, 14 -foot long shower enclosure is too long; very large post next to door and rest are small. Ok with roofwalk as long as natural to weather. Coombs — OK with roofwalk. McLaughlin — Location of A/C not on elevation. Barham — Agree with what's been said; shower is not visible. Roofwalk, however, does not make the house look better. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with roofwalk, pergola and shower natural to weather, pergola posts 8X8 and remove A /C. (Williams) Motion to Approve through staff without roofwalk at this time, pergola and shower natural to weather, pergola posts 8X8 and remove A /C. (Coombs) Vote Not Carried 2 -2 Certificate # 57369 Carried 3 -1/ /Opposed: McLaughlin Page 7ofI Minutes for December 20, 2011, adopted Jan. 17, 2012 22. Darnell, Christopher 20 Capaum Pond Road Revisions 40 -13 Woodmeister /PP Sitting Williams, Barham, Kuester, Coombs Alternates None Recused None Documentation File with associated plans, photos and required documentation Representing Mark Poor, Permits Plus Neil Adamiak, Woodmeister — Would like to go with white trim. Chris Darnell Public None Concerns (8:29) Kuester — East elevation, get rid of sliders; should be a single French door. Not clear about trim and what's painted. Trim should not be white. Coombs — North & South elevation, 2nd -floor ganged windows should be separated more. Agree with Kuester about sliders. Williams — Do not agree about separating 2 °d -floor ganged windows; but first floor ganged windows should be separated by one shingle. No white trim or natural to weather. Barham — Ok with fenestration as shown. Agree about sliders, out -swing or in- swing. No white. Motion Motion to Approve through staff with trim Quaker Grey, French doors on E elevation. (Williams) Vote Carried Unanimously Certificate # 57370 Motion to Adjourn: 8:48 p.m. Submitted by: Terry L. Norton HSAB — Historic Structures Adviso Board MAB — Madaket Advisory Board Page 8 of 1 Review Minutes - December 13 Approve Minutes - November 29h to Approve Carried Unanimously December 6"' Motion to Hold to allow commissioners to review email from J. Gua . Carried Unanimous) 60 Day Deadlines - Motion to Deny the following due to lack of response. Carried 3 -0 //Williams recused • McKechnie, 6 South Water Street, move on site - 57371 • Parker, 4 Monomoy Road, addition & doors & window - 57372 • Third Point LLC, 63 Cliff Road, revisions: window - 57373 • Wittenberg, 26 Bassett Road, roofwalk - 57374 Other Business - Notarized signatures on deed restrictions Commission Comments None Motion to Adjourn: 8:48 p.m. Submitted by: Terry L. Norton HSAB — Historic Structures Adviso Board MAB — Madaket Advisory Board Page 8 of 1